Intrinsicate

I had a client trying to trade a '94 968 coupe, yesterday. White with tan. Straight exterior and excellent interior. 115,000miles. Tiptronic. Good service history. I guess it must be a long time since I drove one, because I was astonished at its poor performance. I don't recall ever driving a Porsche with such poor acceleration.
If we make the deal today, I'll post more information.

hacker-pschorr

How about a wheel up grade for $2,500 & full leather that added a pretty penny and maybe a few more things I cannot remember (have not driven the car since 2001) and LSD. What were we talking about again? Oh yea, you were trying to make a point the original owner of my car was a idiot. Ok, my point was anyone who paid anywhere close to that much (including your $37k 951) for a 4 banger in the mid-late 80's was nuts.
What is really crazy is how little Porsche made per car vs. a new Porsche today that sells for the same amount of money, or somewhat cose. This is without considering inflation.
I'm not bashing - in the 2nd post I noted I actually want a 968. That doesn't mean they are perfect just because I want one.

H2

968 AND 928...both are great cars...and quite different. The 968 is extremely nimble and with revs it's not bad. The 928 has great torque, very rapid accelleration, luxurious ride....and sustained high speed capability.

If I could reasonably convert my 6-speed 968 to Turbo...and beef up the suspension....that may the be ultimate. Admittedly the tips are dogs but the manual trans lets you play the gears/revs.

Then again, with a supercharger on the 928 and some suspension changes, that's very impressive too. One can add forced induction to the 928 for about a third of the price of doing something similar to the 968.

In the final analysis, I think the recent open road races in Nevada have a lot to say about the 928. But on the track the 968 feels very different. I like them both.

Harvey

Daniel Dudley

A well set up 928 is a superior handling car, equal to the 968, or almost any car in almost any situation. I like 968s, and I envy the 6 speed tranny for my turbo.

I would also point out that the 968 CS is very well respected in europe.

I did however sell my 944S, as I wouldn't pull the cats or chip or MAF it. Opening up the breathing really does wonders for these cars, the same as for almost any Porsche of that era.

On the auto 968, no comment. 928s are blessed in that category, and can be as fast or faster than a five speed on a twisty road. They don't call them torque converters for nothing.

Of every model of Porsche I have driven, I have driven great ones, and real dogs. Go figure. I wouldn't want to judge any model on some of the examples I have driven.

V2Rocket

What 968 were you driving...?
The 951S with 10 more HP does 60 in 5.5s. A 968 will still do it under 6 seconds.

Some of you may recall the super-limited 968 Turbo RS; this was a 3.0L 8v engine without VarioCam. Imagine how fast it would be with 8 more valves and variable valve timing...probably into the 4-second territory.

hacker-pschorr

That's my point, they drop the 951, take away 50hp and raise the price. What a deal.

Go drive a tiptronic (what most seam to be) and report back how fast it is.

V2Rocket

50HP?

The 968 made 240HP, the 951S made 250...

I don't have experience with the Tiptronic, but it can't be THAT far behind the 6-speed, can it?

Lord_Galva

I'm afraid to even poke my head in here. I love my 968 and with the upgrades (chip+airbox mod) I have given C5 corvettes a run for their money. I see it this way, the 968 has the most powerful n/a 4 cylinder engine in existence and it's all thanks to Mitsubishi and the 928. I think you guys are missing that. Also you are looking at us with twice the cylinders and only 60hp more. You want a comparison? How about a Veyron looking at you? He's got twice your cylinders and has 700hp more. Is the 968 better than the 928? If by better you mean low cost and readily availible parts, better cooling system, better fuel economy, easier to work on, and mechanics who don't have 3 BMW's for all the money you gave them just to fix the oil leak then yes it is. And for all you 928 owners don't bash your little brother for he might suprise you.

Lord_Galva

Let all just be friends, PLEASE?

ausgeflippt951

First off, that right there is a decidedly fallible statement in my mind: Porsches should be manuals. End of story, which means that tiptronics/automatics are for pansies. If i wanted my car to drive for me I woulda bought a honda.

Too many sports car makers are converting to tiptronic IMO; you lose a significant amount of that "good ol' driving feeling" once you lose the clutch. Even if I had the option of buying the new 911 turbo tiptronic (which is faster in a straight line w/ tiptronic vs. manny tranny) I'd grab the keys to the one with three pedals without looking back.


i've never had the opportunity to drive a 968, but I can say that when compared to my 951, the 928 was a decidedly different car. 951 (and 968) was much more muscular in my mind (even despite the gobs of torque the 928 produces), whereas the 928 had more finess. I don't know about the respective weights, but I felt the 928 was just, well...heavier. The 951/944S2 is a race car.

Granted, I'm only comparing this to my 951 and a previous 944 S2 I've driven, and i fully realize the 968 was a more elegant iteration of the 944.

Perhaps its sacrelige in this part of the forum, but the 968/951 just looks way sexier. perfect fender flares and all.

yellowline

My 944 ownership experience this past week: hearing "nice car" 7-8x from random people at the gas station and friends of the new GF, teaching her how to drive standard, using the targa top, etc.

My would-be 928 ownership experience this past week: Mowing around the car, which is sitting in the yard because I would need to spend a good fraction of the car's value to fix it, and I probably couldn't do the job myself.

One is a sports car, one is a GT. You can't compare them. No Porsche guys (except the 997 worrywarts) are out trying to compare a 335i to a Porsche because they're different cars. Same with the 944/928.

Let's make fun of the 997 guys instead.

Dynamite 76

LOL, or start the debate, which is better, hard top or cab.

V2Rocket

You could probably make a manny tranny on a 997TT keep up with an automatic if you changed how you shift...the auto is faster because it keeps RPM up and keeps the turbo all spooled. On manual when you lift off the gas it slows down a bunch...

Maybe you should leave your foot on the gas and hit the clutch


As for cab/coupe, howabout a coupe with a sunroof large enough to be considered a cab?

hacker-pschorr

The only truth to that statement is the fuel economy.

A. Readily available parts:
We have at least three dedicated 928 parts suppliers & 17 years worth of models with quite a few interchangeable parts.

B. Cooling system:
I can drive my supercharged 928 with no cooling fans in a stop / go traffic jam with no cooling fans. Doesn't get much better then that.

C. Easier to work on:
I'd call this a tie actually, they are both easier to work on than my Scirocco

D. The mechanics thing:
Even most dealer mechanics don't even know what a 968 is much less having all of the proper tools & shop manuals. I know of three place in North East Wisconsin alone with that kind of 928 support.


Like I said before, I love the 968 & will own one eventually (assemble the 944S first). I'm am dissapointed with some aspects of it's performance considering it's the last 944 model. A niche higher performance "send-off" would have been nice.

FRporscheman

968 turbo S or 968 turbo RS. It's just that sales went down and they stopped making them.


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