Dan87951

Post says it all he sent me an empty tube and will not refund my money. Paypal sided with him because he was able to prove a tracking number. Total crap. Live in learn!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=280101266634

SeanR

Leave him negative feedback.
Thanks for the heads up.

There is also the chance that the post office decided to open it and take the poster while in transit.

JonH

I'm beginning to hate eBay, he has 99.9 positive!

Dan87951

He made no effort to file an insurance claim. Just kept stating that I had to do it when the post master said no the sender has to file the claim. After about 2 weeks of that I just filed a claim with paypal. I'm surpised he won it because he didn't send it to a confirmed address.

Bill Ball

This is a tough one. His feedback is legitimate, not faked or stolen like some I see on eBay. Going back over the last 150 or so customers in the last year, there was only one negative and that was a complaint that the buyer thought the poster was a photo copy rather than original. He doesn't seem to be a scammer.

Your postmaster is refering to lost/non-delivered items, in which case the mailer provides the needed documentation. But you got the package; however, it no longer (or may never have) had its contents. So, that falls under the damaged goods area. In that case, both of you have to provide some documentation. The claim form provides an indication of who is filing the claim and where the reimbusement is to go. It can be either party. He needs to provide the original mailing receipt and you need to provide the empty container. He is wrong to insist you must file the claim; but you may be equally wrong despite the postmaster's interpretation. I think both of you need to be involved.

https://hdusps.esecurecare.net/cgi-b...i=&p_topview=1

majhopper

I feel for you man. I cancelled my account because of a similar problem where they actually would not allow me to leave truthful feedback against some spam seller with 8 brazillion feedbacks. Their position was that if this guy sold that many things with no problems, then I must be mistaken, or at the very least, that it was unfair to saddle such an exemplary seller with bad feedback. This of course begs the question: How many negative feedbacks were likewise tossed before my encounter?

Absolute BS - eBay has become about as consumer friendly as the cell phone companies. They don't care what you think, there will be somebody who looks just like you buying next week. It's like food in Orlando - good luck with that.

My wife was a big eBayer (Platinum Powerseller), going to the eBay Live conventions etc, for years.

I think it was last year that Meg (the CEO) stated, in her keynote speech, that the plan was to abandon individual sellers in favor of the large volume sellers. Meaning that eBay will cease to be what it was, and what made it successful, and become what we are now seeing - a Wild West full of cheap knockoffs and sellers offering thousands of identical items - with little or no protection for the buyer.

Their policies regarding fraud have tilted away from the consumer, automatically favoring sellers by default for the simple fact that they are the seller - the one paying eBay.

When it comes to automobiles, my favorite change must be the inability to see Bidder information now. Tell me that is not rotten to the core. They did so because it was too easy to do a little digging and prove shill bidding and other shenanigans. No more.

The only way to hurt them is to stop buying from them, but who wants to watch that great 928 slip past on principle?

Sorry for the long rant. I hate to see this keep happening to people but it will happen more and more as we continue this society-wide "race to the bottom" in cheap consumerism.

Now, I'm off to check eBay for 928s!

Tony

I orderd a Nike Lance Armstrong poster several months ago on Ebay. It was a hard to find poster and quite popular. Add said all original...blah blah blah. Got the item and of course on closer look you can see it was obviously a reporduction..done via a big copy machine or something. I got my money back after shipping the poster back and telling the sellar both Nike, Ebay and local officals would be interested in such copyright infringment. I GUARENTEE that 99% of these big porsche posters are photo copies. I suppose its ok when you get it and the qulaity is good and you cant tell the difference...but...look at them carefully.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up

H2

The problem with giving negative feedback, as I see it, is that the other guy then can come back and zing you as the buyer with negative feedback, and if he has a lot of sales and you don't, you lose, statistically. 10 negatives out of a 1000 is not as bad as 1 negative out of 10. The worst I ever post anymore is no feedback at all. I don't want any negative feedback and that avoids it. The eBay system is flawed and favors shysters.

Also, I got non-delivery once frpm a scammer who posted and sold a bunch of cheap items to get a good rating, then listed a boat load of expensive items, didn't ship, terminated the account, kept the money of a lot of people, and of course the address and other contact info was faked and he was untraceable. Local Police there didn't give a rip. I finally found neighbors of the address and found that the foreign national had used a nearby address for business and skipped the country w/no forwarding address. I got $175 back from eBay out of $700. I calculated the guy made off with about $16,000. Enough to pay for a pretty good vacation in his home country. I paid with PayPal and neither company ever communicated with me directly other than automated emails. It's hard to do business on eBay any more. Also, lots of items are misrepresented. Or carefully misleading wording used. I'd heard of the empty package rip-off before. You can't prove that he didn't ship it.....but he can prove that he at least shipped a package to you. On a relatively cheap item, it's worth more to me to just walk away and let the jerk go than get the inevitable negative feedback on my acct. Obviously a lot of people do that, thereby letting these guys roam relatively free. Bad system for feedback. The ripped off guy gets ripped twice.

If you have suggestions for avoiding this type of double-rip, I'd be interested.

Harvey

Bill Ball

Harvey, you got a clue right up front. The feedback history was not consistent with the items for sale. Quite often these are hijacked accounts. Somebody with 5000 positive feedbacks for selling needlepoint suddenly has a truckload of high-end home theater equipment at great prices. When I bought the headunit for my car, a ton of sellers sprang up selling them at 1/2 to 2/3rds of what the more established sellers were asking. But the feedback history was for baseball trading cards and other $2 junk. Quite often these are dormant accounts and the feedback is rather stale. The real account holder may not notice for weeks or never notice and eBay gets no complaints until the buyers start reporting problems.

Personally, I don't think the current seller in question is guilty of anything except poor customer relations in handling a single shipping mishap. It's unfortunate and could deserve negative feedback, but the seller could argue that the buyer was not willing to do his part in filing the claim. The buyers' insistence that the seller file claim is not 100% correct, IMHO.

killingmoon65

Dan,
If you like, I'll take some photos of your car for you. I'm starting to not like eBay as well.

Dan87951

Thats what the post master said at my local post office. That the "seller files the claim" nothing I can do. Why would she give me the wrong info? Makes no sense. Dealing with these types of headaches isn't worth the $35 bux I spent on it. Live in learn! Oh well.. Should have paid by credit card. Just wanted to warn other potential buyers.

Dan

Bill Ball

Yes it does. I believe she said that because she thought you meant the package was not delivered. In that case (non-delivery), the sender MUST file the claim, as you have NOTHING. If the package or some part of it was delivered, the sender provides the proof of mailing and the recipient provides evidence of loss (i.e., the empty shipping box). Either party files the claim. Go look at the link I provided.

Mike Frye

Holy crap. I had no idea about any of this. I don't do a lot of eBay stuff, but I've sold things and occasionally bought them as well.

I didn't know they could block a negative feedback. I bet that's something they woudn't want to get out to the general populous. Oh well, it had a good run.

Maybe something else will come up and take it's place to be what eBay used to be.

atb

Dan,
Sorry to hear this happened. I ordered the same poster (BIN) from the guy couple months ago and it came no problems or hassles. The poster appears to be high quality, though I can't vouch for authenticity, especially at his BIN price. I'd tracked a few of these on other auctions and I think some of those got into the triple digits as far as sale price.

Good luck.

Dan87951

He sent me an empty tube which I showed the post master. Thanks for the link but im going to write this off as a lost. Just don't have the time to persue.

Dan