Brent 89-GT

""Looks like all the whiners and instigators don't have anything constructive to add to actually SC'ing a car, so they lost interest in this thread.""

I must agree that taking a positive tone is the way to go. HOWEVER, the original post has to do with what happened to the white GTS. That is exactly what was being discussed. That subject leads right into who did the work, and what they did. You act like it went off topic.

It sounds like there are several people working on the Vortech centrifugal supercharger route. Definately the "easy" way to go as you can use your factory intake. I am intrigued by Huntley Racings Roots blower set-up. Those afford much better low end power and, the goal is to have a "bolt on kit". I will be watching that one closely.

I have heard from two others that have done well with Vortechs. Both start with FAST kits and work them over. It would be great to see somebody put one together that actually is a bolt on, and works <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

By this time next year I will be seriously contemplating a SC kit. This winter has been the brake upgrade and suspension work. Next year some power would be nice. I just replaced my chipped (ect etc etc) 944 Turbo with this 928. I am getting tired of telling people the 944 was quite a bit faster, when they ask about the 928 A supercharger would change all that <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

928ntslow

Yea, guess it DID sound like that. I just get tired of people "beechin"...sounds like little old ladies...can't even count how many time this subject has been thrown into the "washing machine".

If enthusiasts are taking the FAST kit and modifying, why is FAST advertising that they HAVE a 928 kit? Shouldn't the guys that have done the mods get with FAST and let them know it is not a bolt on situation?

It appears that no one has an out of the box system yet. Most of us don't have the time or means to monkey around with getting it right.

I am glad Randy shared his success, but would like to hear more about it. His post was just a teaser.

Randy V

For those of you who don't know him, 928ntslow is our pal Keith Widom, one of the founders of the SoCal 928 group.

I usually recommend that folks sign their posts with at least their first name to encourage familiarity amoungst us.

Don't be a Kaz <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> !

Bernie

Hate to be an *** to a guy I like but Randy?
Your post is an abuse of your moderator status!!!!!
I personally had no idea who 928ntslow was and if he wishes to remain anonymous, that's his right.
Could you please now post his home address and telephone number????

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Old & New

Bernie,

Randy & Keith were probably sitting around having a beer while making that post...

Randy V

Bernie, it was meant purely as an endorsement of 928ntslow's credibility. Sorry if I blew your cover Keith, wasn't my intent.

Jay Wellwood

Now now guys...let's get back to the topic at hand shall we???

BC

Actually Jay, I think that it needs to be said here that Randy regularily extends his "moderator"-ness WAY too much sometimes.

Oh, and Randy - Since Kaz's name is Kaz, I think that your comment, "smiley" or not, is a bit back a$$wards.

If I was Russian, and my name was SLVDNY KTCHYN, and that is the way I saigned my posts, would everyone feel as though I was hiding behind a "handle"?

Yes, and NTSLOW - Did that Chinese Restaurant we discussed months ago give you a bad meal as well? The tone of your posts have changed a bit. Did you get some bad chow mein?

Kaz

Randy as moderator and as helpful as he apparently is to John, is right around the equivelant of that Tennessee yahoo who shot the family dog. All delusional power and gross personal misjudgement. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> Well, maybe not quite that bad but not much better.

Kaz is as much a nickname as LastV8, which was a great name (imho)until...well, until it (the 928) wasn't the last V8 anymore due to the Cayenne first and I suppose next generation 911's. <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" /> Don't even try to hand me any nonsense about hiding behind it either, not when you suspended it for me promising to meet way too many people on the board. Most of whom I met anyway, but whatever. Randy, your pet peeve (probably among a host of others) are anonymous posters (in your opinion) who don't want or particularly care to be your friend. Well, like you I've got my own pet peeves as well. A board search will easily uncover what they are.

Incidentally, I'm just really glad I never took photos of myself standing next to my car wearing Daisy Dukes. Matter of fact, I'm glad I never saw fit to wear Daisy Dukes. A few goofy outfits in the 80's, probably one or two in the 90's...
but never
Daisy
Dukes. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />

Sorry Jay, the topic at hand. Well obviously many superchargers are out there and working, putting out varying degrees of power. When you come right down to it, there's really only two problems. One has screwed up two engines, the other hasn't really gotten started on A engine.

You have all these new high powered sedans (to say nothing of sports cars) coming out that are putting down 450hp, 500hp etc, and in the haste not to let the 928 become irrelevant in the hp war we all want to hear about a magic solution that will let the 928 run with all that new $100,000+ hardware being sold out of the dealership. And, we want it turnkey, trouble free and for less than a stroked engine out of Devek. Maybe the folks who are actually spending money are being realistic but those of us on the sidelines probably are not. Well, it ain't gonna happen. Speed cost money, how fast can you afford to go? Add an excellent but long discontinued model that was never popular with the tuners like the 911Turbo is and the difficulty is compounded.

At this point, I would just cough up the money and ask/pay Devek to build a stroker for me. That is the plan for my next 928. You've got guys over in the Audi world spinning through parts and pieces(or not, the 2.7 is a robust engine)in the quest to build 5 and 600hp engines, the difference is, it's a current car with a lot of tuners and factory backed race efforts to glean information from. For all the help of the current and reputable 928 tuners,the 928 just does not have that luxury. Besides the big three that we know wouldn't it be worth talking engine specsand internals with the tuners that build high HP 944Turbo race/street engines? CAn't imagine it would hurt.

Keith, the governor has his hands full in CA right now.

BigBoost

928ntslow said:

If enthusiasts are taking the FAST kit and modifying, why is FAST advertising that they HAVE a 928 kit? Shouldn't the guys that have done the mods get with FAST and let them know it is not a bolt on situation?

******

I think I can awnswer that, The FAST kit is built for 5PSI of boost, the modifications come in when you start winding up the boost, not saying you have to modify the internals of your engine, just things like the way the belt is tensioned, wider belt, a little bracket fabrication here and there and aftercoolers, etc. etc.

I know a few of the FAST kit owners and we have all passed on to them any mods to the kits that would be benificial, whatever boost pressure you end up with.

Right now we are collectively coming up with an 8rib belt setup and the idea of a toothed belt system is being thrown around.

Their SC mounting bracket is sound, I have seen posts where there has been concern about this item, all I can say is I have had no problems with it.

it's been a while since I built mine, but I don't recall having to go out and get parts made for my kit, not before I went "boost happy"

some of my experiences anyways,

Marcus

Jay Wellwood

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Brendan/Kaz...

Please don't mis-understand my previous post as a vote of confidence for our moderator - it was merely an attempt to place the topic back on track.

I would hope that reviewing my history on posts with regards to our moderator and censorship in the past would be evidence enough as to my personal opinions.

Be that as it may - I have no idea as to how a simple Blower Installation could go as wrong as it has for the White GTS. The setup appears to be a simple process...as attested to by Tim and Randys' experience. IMHO - for the $$$$$ spent thus far - could have easily of paid for s Stroker Kit

Just a thought...

davor

Getting back to the successful supercharging thread, I'd say Tim Murphy's car is pretty darn successful. I was standing next to the car when it dyno'ed 463 hp at the rear wheels. There's a separate thread for his car you can read through on the board.

I had the pleasure of a little ride in his car. It is truly awesome. Tim's running higher boost though...about 8psi I believe on a stock S4 motor. Tim had the FAST kit, but all that's left of it is the actual blower unit. He's had to remake everything else. He's also added an intercooler. In all fairness to FAST, the "kit" he bought was their first one...used for development. From what I understand, they've talked to him extensively in how he's modified the kit. I don't know if their current product reflects Tim's improvements or not.

Bottom line it that I personally wouldn't undertake a project like that until I see some evidence of "as advertised" success. I like to drive my car. Down time (and money of course) is a big factor in project decisions.

best to all

GoRideSno

Marcus,
Thank you for clearing that up.
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Everyone seems to say that the kit doesn't work right. From what Marcus is saying it seems to work right for what it is intended to do, PRODUCE 5PSI of boost. Beyond this it may need to be modified but that is no fault of F-A-S-T. At 5psi the engine should produce around 430HP.

I think many people get the idea that the kit is just no good when people say that they had to modify it or replace parts. This hurts F-A-S-T and the potential buyers of the kit.

Mark R of F-A-S-T has lent me advice on designing my own SC kit. He often offers advice and findings of other sorts on another board. Seems like a pretty good guy to me.

Andy K

George 911-V8

JAY and RANDY: You guys are doing a great job with how the board is run day to day. I think this thread has had some issues some good and some bad. Overall this thread has exposed the secrets of all those involved with the blower application. I do believe some dirty laundry needs to be put into the washer no doubt. I hope those involved with the building and installation of the blower applications get their **** together like real soon.

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Kaz

Hey Jay, sorry if what I posted came out wrong to you. Didn't take the post as a vote of confidence at all.

GoRidesno you hit the nail on the head right there.