Bernie

Oh Brother, here we go again.

ALL CAPS....

Bernie

THE WHITE GTS IS NOT BLOWN.....
WHAT A CROCK OF ****!!!!!!!

Nobody has said anything about the blown up white GTS because it isn't blown up.

The car burns too much oil. I think it has problems with its rings - pre-existing ones

Check your damn facts first

Eric finished the white GTS and I drove it. It hauls ***.
The car is burning too much oil.

Eric has offered to rebuild the ailing engine on his own dime. GOT IT????

The car had a pre-existing oil cunsumption problem that both the owner and Eric both overlooked. BIG MISTAKE...... Discovered on a post blower install leakdown test. The owner could pick the damn thing up tomorrow if he wanted too and take it home. He chose to take Eric up on his most generous offer to REBUILD THE ENTIRE ENGINE AND REINSTALL. What an *** Eric is.

It sits at the Projekt928 shop right now next in line to hit the ramps for a FULL REBUILD.

Nuff Said

Christ, its like a bloody hen party here sometimes.

BTW - Who tells you this ****????

srv

GoRideSno...

'Z' is correct in his assessment, broken piston ring lands.

That 'Z' is good!

George 911-V8

Z: How can a welded cam lobe on a camshaft be in the motor unless the engine builder put it in the motor. Why not grind a new cam? If he did then what a joke, rookies playing Austin Coil.

<a href="http://pws.prserv.net/4play/911chevy/index.html" target="_blank">SWAMP MONSTER</a>

Z

[quote]Originally posted by George 911-V8:
<strong>Z: How can a welded cam lobe on a camshaft be in the motor unless the engine builder put it in the motor. If he did then what a joke, rookies playing Austin Coil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The stock cam lobes are welded to build up material, and then the cam is ground to a different cam profile, for more lift, duration, or whatever. Not at all uncommon, but as Marc mentioned above, there is some history of it not working out too well on 928 cams. You can actually see the new welded layer on the cam lobes if you look at the sides of them in the picture at: <a href="http://www.928sg.com/heads.htm" target="_blank">http://www.928sg.com/heads.htm</a>

Brent 89 - GT

WOW Bernie,

Your buddy is now rebuilding GTS engines for FREE I may have bought into all of the nice things said about Eric in the previous thread but, this is a bit of a stretch. I find that EXTREMELY difficult to believe.

Seems to me that a rebuild on an engine like that is well over $10,000. If he does that kind of work gratis, I need to move out there and make friends with this guy


BTW, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Eric is an A$$. Just that tuning supercharged engines from scratch "may" be out of his league. <img src="graemlins/icon107.gif" border="0" alt="[icon107]" />

Bernie

You Know,

I have been posting and watching this site for quite some time now debating on supercharging my 85 AT. It seems to me that supercharging is either totally simple or extremely complex. It depends on the thread and what personal point that individual is trying to make. Read up on some of these threads and you'll see what I mean.
So, what is it?????
Is it extremely difficult, not to be handled by anyone but NASA engineers or is it totally simple and can be performed under a shady tree in your backyard? Come on guys/gals, if we're going to keep punting this crock around, lets at least come to some sort of consensus on what it really takes to perform this "easy bolt-on horsepower".

As to the GTS motor......

What would you expect the guy to do? I guess he could hit the owner of the GTS up for a big ticket and walk away with a grin on his face but Erics friends know thats not his style. He wants it right and thats his bottom line.

Doesn't matter to me if I'm believed or not. Anyone who knows Eric knows that this is no stretch and yes, you would definately be in good hands if you lived in Socal and had Eric as a buddy.

Fastest928

Here are some facts:

1 The oil consumption issue is COMMON to all GTS's.
2 the oil consumption has nothing to do with the ring seal and leakdown...see other rennlist GTS oil consumption topic
3 we service Joes GTS, and it ran very strong...maybe one of the strongest GTS autos ever
4 The customer was sold a turnkey package, not a development program...this is a key point, the customer must be told the difference! Joe expected a turnkey program.
5 Bernie, instead of telling us how good it all is...maybe you should talk to the customer and tell him how good it is all working out...I am sure that it would really help the situation.

Regards,
Marc

Brent 89 - GT

""As to the GTS motor......

What would you expect the guy to do?""

Well, if it was a known pre-existing condition, as you stated, how could the owner of the GTS NOT expect to pay for the repairs? How can Eric afford to do this? Sounds pretty fishy to me.

If what Marc says is true, and the white GTS owner was sold a "turn key" package, then there is a problem with that shop. I get the impression that the black GTS owner was also sold a turn key package, hence his dismay with the situation.

Since we have heard from the black GTS owner first hand. It would be interesting to hear from the other owner. I would like to hear his side.

""Is it extremely difficult, not to be handled by anyone but NASA engineers or is it totally simple and can be performed under a shady tree in your backyard? ""

Bernie, I am wondering why you would ask such a question. It seems like you are pretty close to Eric Munck. Why wouldn't you just trust him to install the SC package? If he is as good, and as trustworthy as you claim, I have to wonder why you haven't sent your personal car there yet? After all, you seem impressed by the outcome of the white GTS right?

Joe Dyer

I am the owner of the white GTS. I do have a very long and documented story to tell, but the last chapter has not been written yet. I will say that Eric is not doing any work on his own dime, so Bernie, maybe you should get your facts straight to. To date, I have paid Eric $22816 and I agreed to pay for the latest teardown. The car did not have a pre-existing oil consumption problem. From my readings of this fine list, 800 miles per quart was not excessive for a GTS.

Stay tuned...
Joe Dyer

GoRideSno

Bernie,
There is no simple answer to the easy/hard question about installing an SC. If you want 100 more crank hp it is probably pretty simple. If you want 500rwhp then it is probably exponentially harder.

Let me preface the next paragraph by saying I haven't tested my system enough to say I have made any HP gains, my system doesn’t fit under the hood, and I would be happy with 60-100hp gain.

BUT with no prior supercharging experience and without a whole lot of complex automotive experience I have designed and built a system from scratch. In fact it is a system that I don't think anyone has ever tried to implement on a 32 valve, although Dozman has been working parallel. There was no body of knowledge on installing a roots blower on a 928 that I could find. Somehow I was able to do this in my small apartment garage without even a workbench in less than 3 months of weekends working. I have driven the car 3 times with the blower working (but not far). I haven't blown my engine (knock on wood). I have only spent about $2k including about $400-500 worth of unnecessary machine work.

So I have to believe it is not just reserved for the NASA scientist. Heck I'm just a lowly salesman. Press on with the quest I say. I’ll be working again this weekend.
Andy K
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Bernie

Hi Joe,

I will let you deal with Eric personally on this from here on in.

Suffice to say that your car is not blown. That I know for sure.
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The reason Eric has not put a SC on my car is because I don't want him or anybody else to do it. I want to do it myself. We are taking decade(s)old car(s) and forcing them to do something that they weren't designed to do.
I'm not convinced that anyone has gotten it completely right and that's fine. That's the enjoyment of the whole thing - the journey.
If you have read Supercharged S3, you will realize that myself and other 928 owners are not out to get 500hp from our engines. We would like to see a kit that gives us reasonable bang for the buck but does not spray our old engines into next week. I have learned a lot from Eric about supercharging engines. I have also learned a lot from the people on this board. One day I will have decided that I have learned enough to put my beloved shark into harms way as I force 60lbs of air into a 5lb bucket. That's the way I work.

I think I will now cruise on back to Supercharged S3 and let you guys have your fun.

BTW - Thanx for the good info Andy. I think its a do-able project and I intend on pushing forward. I will continue to post any new work I have going on with REDALERT.......

BrianG

Tim, from my aviation training, I learned that the 14:1 ratio is the stoichiometric ideal for "complete combustion", while a point or two lean is the "best economy" ratio that is still safe if not under high load, and 12:1 is actually the "best power" ratio for greatest HP. It sounds like you have it PERFECT, not just close!!

Nice work!

bcdavis

I guess the problem people have with these situations, is when the shop advertises the supercharger kit, and installation, for a certain price. "Turnkey".

From the Projekt928 Site:

&gt; ...most of our customers prefer a professional
&gt; installation, we do that for just $ 2500.

So if I give them a healthy GTS, or a healthy s4, with no real engine problems, I would expect a happy car, and a good installation, with all the horsepower claims, in a reasonable amout of time. I would not expect the install to take months... Maybe it should say, "...most of our customers prefer a professional installation, we do that for just $22,816". Just a joke, but the point is that shops should be honest about the time, costs, and pitfalls, of something like this... Not to say that all it will take, is a few weeks, and $2,500...

I think F.A.S.T. may have it right, by just selling the brackets, etc... Let the private owner do it themselves, and accept the risks. But when a shop says they can do the install, you assume they know what they are doing, and will not have tons of problems and delays.

Carlos

It sounds like both of these blower installation "experts" (project928 and german auto art) are nothing more than "fish finders." It appears that neither of them have much real world experience at this and are looking for "fish" to reel in. 22 grand before an engine rebuild? Every piece must be platinum plated titanium. Where's Tony Soprano when you need him.