SCCA ITE race at Thunderhill this weekend 5-25 (RACE REPORT UPDATE)
05-29-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by krazik
Except w/ the BMW I did take fault for the contact. I just said I wouldn't pay. I didn't ask you to pay did I?
Here is the video of the contact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beX164b2GbY
I've let it go as a racing incident.
Here is the video of the contact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beX164b2GbY
I've let it go as a racing incident.
Randy(Camaro) takes the checkered flag while you two knuckleheads rub paint. I'm sure he appreciates it.
I'm looking forward to racing against you both in the bimmer later this season. We're heading up to Streets tomorrow for some more practice.
05-29-2007, 08:06 PM
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Amazing. We now have a Beemer, a Camaro and an S2000 monitoring the 928 forum. Maybe they're getting ready to make a change. Is Mark in the process of single handedly creating a 928 class in SCCA?
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05-29-2007, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
What a weekend!
some of the most intense racing ive ever had. ITE had the top 4 cars being at near the same qualifying time. I was overheating due to loss of water in qualifying so I only got 1 lap which was good for 3rd off the Pole. (i really needed to post equal to my race 1 time, to get the pole and have the best chance of fighting off the monster camaro.)
the grid was set:
620rwhp camaro (700hp) on the pole
430rwhp corvette C5
320rwhp 928
250rwhp S2000 tin box
all times near 2:02
Green flag falls, the camaro evaporates like the Evo used to,(and does the vet), but all seem to stack up at turn 2 and certainly through the twisties. we are bumper to bumper keeping right on the camaro lap after lap, waiting for lapped traffic or a mistake. Finally, i see an opening around the vet near the thunderhill corkscrew, i have room, barely and get buy and try to get some distance and run up on the Camaro. Lapped traffic gives the vet a little more edge down the main straight and passes me into turn 1, i out brake him into 2 on the inside and get the position back. the S2000 gets a break at that point and gets by the vet. Lap traffic gets me in a postition for the S2000 to get by, and the lapped car pushes me off track at 100mph but its straight and i get back on. into turn 14 (next to last turn) i make an inside pass and out brake, but we are two wide going real hot, the S2000 tries to keep his foot in it and go around the outside, but there is no room, my path is determined by turn entrance speed, and we make contact, door to door, he goes by. finally, in the fastest turn 1, i make an inside pass and it sticks. now, back after the camaro. i get a poor line out of the final turn, due to lapped traffic and exit too hot, strattling the birm, which has a highside bump in it, i hear a HUGE thump. "still got oil presure, temp is running hot" keep running. car is running real funny now. feels like the limited slip is gone and im running an open diff. I only have power when pointed straight. barely keeping the S2000 off me. finally make a few attemps to get by the camaro, but cant. the vet gets back by the S2000. So, I end up 2nd, camaro wins his second race of the weekend. i post the my fastest time of the weekend at 2:01.7 while the S2000 actually had a 2:00.9, the camaro was 2:02.3, Vet 2:01.4 getting 4th while the S2000 ends up in 4th.
Now the fun starts, Rylan in the S2000 thinks our contact was my fault, and launches a protest for position. he also says our contact knocks out his rear toe and was unable to compete, however, its funny that his second fastest lap is after the contact! He fights hard in the protest hearing, the officials see the tape and say that it happened exactly as my report has said, and it is backed up with the corner workers report. It really is sad when you have a real racing contact, and someone thinks they are entitled to attach blame. The previous lagua event, Rylan got way over his head into turn 2 and smashed into my buddies black M3 from behind, getting penalized a final position spot for his "at fault contact) and causing a stir among the racers, when Bruce thought he should help pay for some of the damages. (of course rylan said, "thats racing, i aint paying") funny, now our "just racing" incident this weekend, suddenly has to have a fault owner to it, and it certainly cant be his!
bad part of all this, the officials keep the video tape for 10 days in case there is an appeal, where there is a full Court-like process. (these guys take this racing stuff too serious!!) so, when i get the tape back, ill post the race on youtube.
I almost forgot, the reason my limited slip felt like it was failing ,was duiring the birm strattle on the exit of turn 14, the thump i felt was my swaybar mount being ripped off from the frame! so, no front swaybar for the last 4-5 laps, it did make the car feel a little funny, but it was that bad, except for the slipping open-diff like tire spin.
Now, time for some welding and maybe another thunderhill race next month.
sorry for the lengthy report.
Mk
Here is a pic of the minor damage. big rubber donut on the door, and a nice little dent and paint lost on the front fender. I think ill put a white circle sticker over it with the #8 in it, with a line through it!!!!
some of the most intense racing ive ever had. ITE had the top 4 cars being at near the same qualifying time. I was overheating due to loss of water in qualifying so I only got 1 lap which was good for 3rd off the Pole. (i really needed to post equal to my race 1 time, to get the pole and have the best chance of fighting off the monster camaro.)
the grid was set:
620rwhp camaro (700hp) on the pole
430rwhp corvette C5
320rwhp 928
250rwhp S2000 tin box
all times near 2:02
Green flag falls, the camaro evaporates like the Evo used to,(and does the vet), but all seem to stack up at turn 2 and certainly through the twisties. we are bumper to bumper keeping right on the camaro lap after lap, waiting for lapped traffic or a mistake. Finally, i see an opening around the vet near the thunderhill corkscrew, i have room, barely and get buy and try to get some distance and run up on the Camaro. Lapped traffic gives the vet a little more edge down the main straight and passes me into turn 1, i out brake him into 2 on the inside and get the position back. the S2000 gets a break at that point and gets by the vet. Lap traffic gets me in a postition for the S2000 to get by, and the lapped car pushes me off track at 100mph but its straight and i get back on. into turn 14 (next to last turn) i make an inside pass and out brake, but we are two wide going real hot, the S2000 tries to keep his foot in it and go around the outside, but there is no room, my path is determined by turn entrance speed, and we make contact, door to door, he goes by. finally, in the fastest turn 1, i make an inside pass and it sticks. now, back after the camaro. i get a poor line out of the final turn, due to lapped traffic and exit too hot, strattling the birm, which has a highside bump in it, i hear a HUGE thump. "still got oil presure, temp is running hot" keep running. car is running real funny now. feels like the limited slip is gone and im running an open diff. I only have power when pointed straight. barely keeping the S2000 off me. finally make a few attemps to get by the camaro, but cant. the vet gets back by the S2000. So, I end up 2nd, camaro wins his second race of the weekend. i post the my fastest time of the weekend at 2:01.7 while the S2000 actually had a 2:00.9, the camaro was 2:02.3, Vet 2:01.4 getting 4th while the S2000 ends up in 4th.
Now the fun starts, Rylan in the S2000 thinks our contact was my fault, and launches a protest for position. he also says our contact knocks out his rear toe and was unable to compete, however, its funny that his second fastest lap is after the contact! He fights hard in the protest hearing, the officials see the tape and say that it happened exactly as my report has said, and it is backed up with the corner workers report. It really is sad when you have a real racing contact, and someone thinks they are entitled to attach blame. The previous lagua event, Rylan got way over his head into turn 2 and smashed into my buddies black M3 from behind, getting penalized a final position spot for his "at fault contact) and causing a stir among the racers, when Bruce thought he should help pay for some of the damages. (of course rylan said, "thats racing, i aint paying") funny, now our "just racing" incident this weekend, suddenly has to have a fault owner to it, and it certainly cant be his!
bad part of all this, the officials keep the video tape for 10 days in case there is an appeal, where there is a full Court-like process. (these guys take this racing stuff too serious!!) so, when i get the tape back, ill post the race on youtube.
I almost forgot, the reason my limited slip felt like it was failing ,was duiring the birm strattle on the exit of turn 14, the thump i felt was my swaybar mount being ripped off from the frame! so, no front swaybar for the last 4-5 laps, it did make the car feel a little funny, but it was that bad, except for the slipping open-diff like tire spin.
Now, time for some welding and maybe another thunderhill race next month.
sorry for the lengthy report.
Mk
Here is a pic of the minor damage. big rubber donut on the door, and a nice little dent and paint lost on the front fender. I think ill put a white circle sticker over it with the #8 in it, with a line through it!!!!
I don't know what went on with you and Rylan...that is between you guys....
....and the 700 HP Pole Sitting Camaro is actually a "lowly" 451 RWHP
....I woulda shown ya the dyno sheet in my folder at the track had ya asked.... 
05-29-2007, 11:12 PM
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I was waiting to see when you would show up!
Just saw the contact video.
thats racing.
yes, your contact was your fault with the BMW. Ill I can see is that i did give you enough room, you decided not to take it to the birm markers to the left. another inch or two, and there would have been no contact. one of the reasons i was able to make the pass stick a lap or two later, was going way out to the cans and got a little better run out of turn 15. your no slouch there either, but it was one of the times i did get a run. the main reason i got a run to the turn we made contact on, was that you had traffic effecting your exit line out of the S's.
It was racing. you didnt ask me to pay, because it was just one of those things, and thats why i didnt ask you to pay either
in the future, the only time you should protest is if someone hits you during a bone head manuver. close racing is just that. (translation: chance for contact)
if you get some, and had the choice not to be where you put the car, you cant blame anyone but yourself. I would sure not like to have a dent in the fender and some circles on my door, but i knew the risk going into the turn with you.
some of the best dicing yet. glad the damage is not that bad for either of us.
Next time, i would take the lower inside protective line and make me drive around you
mk
Just saw the contact video.
thats racing.
yes, your contact was your fault with the BMW. Ill I can see is that i did give you enough room, you decided not to take it to the birm markers to the left. another inch or two, and there would have been no contact. one of the reasons i was able to make the pass stick a lap or two later, was going way out to the cans and got a little better run out of turn 15. your no slouch there either, but it was one of the times i did get a run. the main reason i got a run to the turn we made contact on, was that you had traffic effecting your exit line out of the S's.
It was racing. you didnt ask me to pay, because it was just one of those things, and thats why i didnt ask you to pay either
in the future, the only time you should protest is if someone hits you during a bone head manuver. close racing is just that. (translation: chance for contact)
if you get some, and had the choice not to be where you put the car, you cant blame anyone but yourself. I would sure not like to have a dent in the fender and some circles on my door, but i knew the risk going into the turn with you.
some of the best dicing yet. glad the damage is not that bad for either of us.
Next time, i would take the lower inside protective line and make me drive around you
mk
Originally Posted by krazik
Except w/ the BMW I did take fault for the contact. I just said I wouldn't pay. I didn't ask you to pay did I?
Here is the video of the contact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beX164b2GbY
I've let it go as a racing incident.
Here is the video of the contact. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beX164b2GbY
I've let it go as a racing incident.
05-29-2007, 11:17 PM
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only 451rwhp??? what are you running those nascar restrictors??
It sure looked like 6-700hp the way you pulled on the 425rwhp vet!
by the way, i shorted you on the time quote. actually 2:02.1.
it was a rumor started by one of the scca officals who thought he knew!
Im even more impressed with your drive now! nice job. (especially with that solid rear axle. thats got to be a handful!)
Either that car needs to go on a diet, or you need to stop body building!
Tell your mom, thanks for taking Jack to the kiddie park. He and Kile seemed to get a long well!
see you at the next event
Mk
It sure looked like 6-700hp the way you pulled on the 425rwhp vet!
by the way, i shorted you on the time quote. actually 2:02.1.
it was a rumor started by one of the scca officals who thought he knew!
Im even more impressed with your drive now! nice job. (especially with that solid rear axle. thats got to be a handful!)
Either that car needs to go on a diet, or you need to stop body building!
Tell your mom, thanks for taking Jack to the kiddie park. He and Kile seemed to get a long well!
see you at the next event
Mk
Originally Posted by rmackintosh
I agree with everything you say Mark with the exception of two things...
I don't know what went on with you and Rylan...that is between you guys....
....and the 700 HP Pole Sitting Camaro is actually a "lowly" 451 RWHP ....I woulda shown ya the dyno sheet in my folder at the track had ya asked....
I don't know what went on with you and Rylan...that is between you guys....
....and the 700 HP Pole Sitting Camaro is actually a "lowly" 451 RWHP
....I woulda shown ya the dyno sheet in my folder at the track had ya asked....
05-29-2007, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mark kibort
only 451rwhp??? what are you running those nascar restrictors??
It sure looked like 6-700hp the way you pulled on the 425rwhp vet!
by the way, i shorted you on the time quote. actually 2:02.1.
it was a rumor started by one of the scca officals who thought he knew!
Im even more impressed with your drive now! nice job. (especially with that solid rear axle. thats got to be a handful!)
Either that car needs to go on a diet, or you need to stop body building!
Tell your mom, thanks for taking Jack to the kiddie park. He and Kile seemed to get a long well!
see you at the next event
Mk
It sure looked like 6-700hp the way you pulled on the 425rwhp vet!
by the way, i shorted you on the time quote. actually 2:02.1.
it was a rumor started by one of the scca officals who thought he knew!
Im even more impressed with your drive now! nice job. (especially with that solid rear axle. thats got to be a handful!)
Either that car needs to go on a diet, or you need to stop body building!
Tell your mom, thanks for taking Jack to the kiddie park. He and Kile seemed to get a long well!
see you at the next event
Mk
The heads were CNC'd by a NASCAR guy, but they are stock LT1 heads.....not even aftermarket AFR's or other high flow heads....but they ARE a nice piece. The motor is now a 383 instead of a 350 but that probably only effects torque...another poor area from last year. The car was 395 RWHP last year.
Yeah, the car is not the best handling car in the world.....you guys showed me that in most corners.....you and Rylan had me braking WAY later than I felt comfortable doing in the latter stages of the race!
And I DEFINATELY need to diet.....no body building here.....and so does the car. I think we are all close on times now, so we should have some good fun racing the rest of the year!
Yeah, the kids had a good time.....we need to pit closer more regularly so they get in the habit more....my kids have TONS more fun with other kids than grandma entertaining them all day!
Hope your repairs go smooth!
05-30-2007, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by krazik
I heard you have 1million hp! 
sssshhhhhhhh!
Any more videos to post up Rylan????? From the reaction I got when I returned to the pits, from the spectators, and my own seat looking in my rearview mirror....probably too much....it looked like a lot of footage was to be had.....
05-30-2007, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rmackintosh
HAHA! Yeah it is actually just a few above Robert.....and his car "should" be a better car so I "should" need a few extra to compete. I was surprised how hard I pulled Robert too. I think it might be my gearing....I switched to 3:90's vs 3:73's last year......makes a HUGE difference getting out of the turns and obviously the starts.....
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OH NO.....clearly a rennlist 928 rookie.....he just started an big No-No arguement with MK......since MK hasn't responded yet he must still be typing....I just picture him all upset banging away on the keyboards mumbling "HP...HP...HP...DAMMIT"
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
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Originally Posted by IcemanG17
OH NO.....clearly a rennlist 928 rookie.....he just started an big No-No arguement with MK......since MK hasn't responded yet he must still be typing....I just picture him all upset banging away on the keyboards mumbling "HP...HP...HP...DAMMIT"
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
LOL....I remember some of those discussions on the World Challenge board with Mark as well. I dunno......I am not a student of the numbers/theories of it all....but I know I was 20 feet away when my car was dyno tuned, and I have the sheet with me at all times at the track if Mark desires to look at it.....
05-30-2007, 12:37 AM
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he has a 383 ci motor! he doesnt need any help with the gearing! thats my gift to the 928 list
hmmmm, wonder if i need to drop my 2.2:1 rear end out and get that 3.09??
funny side note to that. rylan and i have almost the same speeds in each of the respective gears. (shift points are near the same 1st, 2nd and 3rd and 4th for me, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th for him.
(watch his laguna 1:40 pole qual run on youtube and compare it to any of my laguna laps.)
(note; gearing matters. it determines the amount of hp you can apply to the wheels over any given speed range. Acceleration= Power/(mass x velocity)
(another note: did you all notice the camaro's engine size, 383ci. hmmm, sounds like stroker 928 to me
6.4 liter!!!!!
mk
hmmmm, wonder if i need to drop my 2.2:1 rear end out and get that 3.09??
funny side note to that. rylan and i have almost the same speeds in each of the respective gears. (shift points are near the same 1st, 2nd and 3rd and 4th for me, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th for him.
(watch his laguna 1:40 pole qual run on youtube and compare it to any of my laguna laps.)
(note; gearing matters. it determines the amount of hp you can apply to the wheels over any given speed range. Acceleration= Power/(mass x velocity)
(another note: did you all notice the camaro's engine size, 383ci. hmmm, sounds like stroker 928 to me
6.4 liter!!!!!mk
Originally Posted by IcemanG17
OH NO.....clearly a rennlist 928 rookie.....he just started an big No-No arguement with MK......since MK hasn't responded yet he must still be typing....I just picture him all upset banging away on the keyboards mumbling "HP...HP...HP...DAMMIT"
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
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Originally Posted by IcemanG17
OH NO.....clearly a rennlist 928 rookie.....he just started an big No-No arguement with MK......since MK hasn't responded yet he must still be typing....I just picture him all upset banging away on the keyboards mumbling "HP...HP...HP...DAMMIT"
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
:>)
(hint: We've had many discussions about acceleration vs gearing....MK believes that power to weight is the only thing that matters in acceleration....gearing does not matter)
LOL....I remember some of those discussions on the World Challenge board with Mark as well. I dunno......I am not a student of the numbers/theories of it all....but I know I was 20 feet away when my car was dyno tuned, and I have the sheet with me at all times at the track if Mark desires to look at it.....