Mike Frye

I had another pic but it was blurry, the PP is spinning freely. I can see behind it by like an inch (between the PP an the clutch/starter ring gear). The intermediate shaft (thanks Dave) is pegged against the main shaft, but it's still in something at the engine side that won't allow anything to come free.

OK, maybe I missed something basic. I've been searching the archives over an over and there is mention of some shims that I didn't understand. Also, when the PP is free, shouldn't the starter ring gear be free also? That's stuck fast to the flywheel. I didn't remove the pins, I just tapped them back to where they were because so many people said they didn't bother with them at all. Is it the pins that are hosing me up again?

Dave, you're right, the second pic shows the farthest back I can get the shaft. It's touching the main shaft. I can even wiggle it around the end of the shaft, but it hits the coupling and won't come back any farther.

FlyingDog

The intermediate shaft is far enough back. The intermediate plate should pull backwards from the flywheel and off the pins. Then the whole thing should drop.

Can you move the intermediate shaft around (up/down/sideways) and watch the disks move? Everything should be loose, but contained without the flywheel/pressure plate.

Mike Frye

Hey Matt,

I can wiggle the i-shaft around and the PP is free, but other than the release arm, nothing else is moving. The starter ring gear is stuck to the flywheel and isn't moving (I think the pins are still killing me) Once the PP is free, should everything else be?


Dave,

The bolts are all out and PP is moving freely, the release arm is free and I can wiggle it up and down about an inch or more (only thing holding that on is the i-shaft)

worf928

Ok. You've got me a bit confused here... referring to your first picture in post #41:

The larger toothed gear is the starter ring gear. It is part of the pressure plate assembly. It comes out with the assembly.

The two long pins on either side of your release arm lever are reference pins for one of the speed/impulse senders. Don't mess with them.

The smaller toothed gear is the flywheel. The "teeth" on it are for the other speed sensor. It does not come out with the clutch.


The shims are used to releave the pressure on the PP and make getting the bolts out easier. And make getting the assembly out easier. Some folks never use them. I always do. So, I cannot really opine on how easy or hard it is without them.

Perhaps. There are three locator pins in the flywheel that align the PP. One is larger than the other two (at least on MY '87+.)

Is the PP (and the starter ring gear) loose and rotating relative to the flywheel?

If so, the pins are not hanging you up.

From the looks of your picture the PP is still "glued" to the flywheel. Although, I see what looks like a locator pin between the ring gear and the flywheel just above the third from-the-left oil pan bolt. But, that pin isn't in the right place relative to the PP... so maybe the PP is loose?

Can you move the PP/ring gear relative to the flywheel?

With a screwdriver (or something long) can you wiggle the friction (clutch) disc? Does it wobble with the i-shaft?

It looks like your release arm is still on the ball joint? Be careful. If the PP is loose that release arm ball cup MAY be all that's keeping the PP in. That assembly is HEAVY. It will put a big dent in your skull if it drops on you.

If the PP is still "glued" to the flywheel, use a pry bar on the lower part of the release arm and pry it towards the rear of the car. Be CAREFUL. Once you pry back on the arm the PP should pop-off the flywheel and then the ball cup at the top of the arm is all that's keeping the assembly from dropping on your head.

worf928

DO NOT PRY ON THE ARM IF THE BALL CUP IS NOT ON THE BALL JOINT!

Get the release arm back on the ball joint first. Then pry.

FlyingDog

Worf, remember his is a dual disk...

Also, the one pin being different than the rest change occurred in 83 or possibly 84.

worf928

ARG!

Thanks.

FlyingDog

A pirate walks into a bar with a wheel attached to his 'crank'.

The bartender looks at him and asks what the wheel is for.

The pirate responds... "It's drivin' me nuts!"







Sorry, thought that was mildly (in)appropriate for this discussion.

jon928se

The starter ring is part of the clutch pressure plate

The timing ring is part of the flywheel and won't come off when you are doing a clutch change



Edit - ignore this lot below I just read you have the twin disc clutch, although I guess shimming it is still relevant.

The shims are as shown in this pic - sorry the writing is hard to read. Don't think the clutch will come out without these shims in place. They hold the pressure plate in the clutch disengaged position. In the clutch engaged position the pressure plate and friction disc is too long (front to back of car) to come out.



HTH

worf928

Phuk!

NJSharkFan - nevermind. The ring gear is a seperate piece.

FlyingDog

The starter ring gear is attached to the intermediate plate which sits on the pins in the flywheel. The PP is bolted through the intermediate plate to the flywheel. If the shaft, arm, and PP are free; the only thing left is to get the intermediate plate off the flywheel. A mallet should take care of that.

worf928

Ok. Now, I'm looking at the right DAMN PAGE in the WSM...

Despite the fact that the ring gear on the dual disc clutch is not part of the pressure plate, the fact that it is still stuck to the flywheel is the main clue.

Looking at page 30-10 of the WSM for the 1984+ dual disc... once the PP bolts are out nothing should be holding the ring gear to the flywheel.

Except the locator pins.

FlyingDog

Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. Tap. Rotate. (get frustrated) Whack. Rotate. Whack. Rotate. Whack. Rotate. Whack. Catch falling clutch assembly with face. Done.

Mike Frye

Thanks for your patience again guys.

So we think it is the pins?

What about the shims? Do they come into the picture anywhere? I really hate whacking my car with hammers and stuff.

I've got a good feeling about this. Here goes nothing!!!!

FlyingDog

The shims just make reassembly a little easier.