GTS values
03-07-2007, 10:19 AM
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LMAO Keith, that's one of the funniest posts I've read in a long time 
Originally Posted by 928ntslow
OK...you want the truth...you got it...
Anyone who owns a GTS wants to be envied by the rest of the 928 community! In fact, the cars are detuned from what was origally planned for the GTS (since it was a dog of a seller and priced out of the stratusphere and Porsche wasn't going phase out the "fastest" car in their line up), the wider stance was to compensate for the squirrelyness of the 928 getting loose in the corners with the added power and those ridiculous flares are like parachute pants having no usefulness but to slow the car down at speed. They weigh more than any other 928 and it just makes no reasonable sense to own one.
I say buy an 87 or 88 car, strap an iron lung on it and barf flames out of the exhaust to prove that GTS's are for wannabe's and dentists wives!
Anyone who owns a GTS wants to be envied by the rest of the 928 community! In fact, the cars are detuned from what was origally planned for the GTS (since it was a dog of a seller and priced out of the stratusphere and Porsche wasn't going phase out the "fastest" car in their line up), the wider stance was to compensate for the squirrelyness of the 928 getting loose in the corners with the added power and those ridiculous flares are like parachute pants having no usefulness but to slow the car down at speed. They weigh more than any other 928 and it just makes no reasonable sense to own one.
I say buy an 87 or 88 car, strap an iron lung on it and barf flames out of the exhaust to prove that GTS's are for wannabe's and dentists wives!
03-07-2007, 10:43 AM
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Building GTS replica from '90-91 GT using new and used parts
$2000 used GTS crank
$2000 used GTS pistons and new rings
$2000 used GTS manual gearbox including oil cooler, its lines etc, $$$$ is already subtracted for selling away GT box
$1500 used GTS cup I wheels with RDK sensors
$150 used GTS rear spacers and studds
$2000 used GTS rear wheel arches including paint, filler flap etc.
$1000 used GTS rear bumber with reflector, paint etc.
$500 new GTS rear spoiler replica
$500 new GTS mirrors
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$11650
Selling GT cams and installing GTS cams instead might save few $100.
If GT is $20k, GTS should be $30k based on above costs alone.
$2000 used GTS crank
$2000 used GTS pistons and new rings
$2000 used GTS manual gearbox including oil cooler, its lines etc, $$$$ is already subtracted for selling away GT box
$1500 used GTS cup I wheels with RDK sensors
$150 used GTS rear spacers and studds
$2000 used GTS rear wheel arches including paint, filler flap etc.
$1000 used GTS rear bumber with reflector, paint etc.
$500 new GTS rear spoiler replica
$500 new GTS mirrors
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$11650
Selling GT cams and installing GTS cams instead might save few $100.
If GT is $20k, GTS should be $30k based on above costs alone.
03-07-2007, 11:12 AM
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Correct. But if you started with an S4, the price would be much lower.
Originally Posted by Vilhuer
Building GTS replica from '90-91 GT using new and used parts
$2000 used GTS crank
$2000 used GTS pistons and new rings
$2000 used GTS manual gearbox including oil cooler, its lines etc, $$$$ is already subtracted for selling away GT box
$1500 used GTS cup I wheels with RDK sensors
$150 used GTS rear spacers and studds
$2000 used GTS rear wheel arches including paint, filler flap etc.
$1000 used GTS rear bumber with reflector, paint etc.
$500 new GTS rear spoiler replica
$500 new GTS mirrors
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$11650
Selling GT cams and installing GTS cams instead might save few $100.
If GT is $20k, GTS should be $30k based on above costs alone.
$2000 used GTS crank
$2000 used GTS pistons and new rings
$2000 used GTS manual gearbox including oil cooler, its lines etc, $$$$ is already subtracted for selling away GT box
$1500 used GTS cup I wheels with RDK sensors
$150 used GTS rear spacers and studds
$2000 used GTS rear wheel arches including paint, filler flap etc.
$1000 used GTS rear bumber with reflector, paint etc.
$500 new GTS rear spoiler replica
$500 new GTS mirrors
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$11650
Selling GT cams and installing GTS cams instead might save few $100.
If GT is $20k, GTS should be $30k based on above costs alone.
03-07-2007, 11:30 AM
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If S4 is '87-89 then it gets really difficult. Need to add PSD, RDK, digital dash. And I forgot GTS clutch from the previous list also.
If S4 is '90-91 then need to do automatic to manual conversion to get manual GTS. Not cheap when done right and all parts are changed. Doing automatic GTS is much easier.
Almost everyone would spend same amount of $ to SC, stroker or something else non stock. So these calculations are useless. They just show that part list and needed $ is much larger than what one would think just by looking S4, GT and GTS side by side.
If S4 is '90-91 then need to do automatic to manual conversion to get manual GTS. Not cheap when done right and all parts are changed. Doing automatic GTS is much easier.
Almost everyone would spend same amount of $ to SC, stroker or something else non stock. So these calculations are useless. They just show that part list and needed $ is much larger than what one would think just by looking S4, GT and GTS side by side.
03-07-2007, 12:06 PM
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And even IF you made a replica GTS when all was said and done it would NOT BE A GTS . You need only look at the "value" of a real Hemicuda vs. a clone Hemi cuda...Daytona Spider vs. a cut off coupe. Simply stated the GTS has value because it has value. It all boils down to something about owning one makes you smile there is NOTHING logical or rational about it....never was never will be . It is exaclty like owning ANY 928....
03-07-2007, 12:15 PM
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I often thought of what it would cost to produce a 'new' 928 from parts...But that was just to see in reality how much a total Shark package would cost to build from new parts. You can't use this analogy to determine 928 values.
But I know, that you know, that Jim knows, that we know, THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
But I know, that you know, that Jim knows, that we know, THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
03-07-2007, 12:38 PM
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There is some funny stuff in this thread.
It has all been said already. If you can't figure out the attraction to the GTS over other 928's than it is not the car for you. No need to bring it down to rationalize your inability to afford one.
To me after owning an early 80 euro there was only one choice and that was the GTS. IMO these are luxury performance GT's and not sports cars as many hear would like to believe. If Hp is what you crave buy a GT and SC it. But that is not what these cars are about to me and I see little value in it.
Visually the GTS has it, the wide hips and big brakes, aero mirrors and painted rear wing stand out from a distance. These subtle changes take the car to the next level. I had my GTS parked at a show next to a beautiful GT a year ago and there was not a person that walked by that did not notice the difference immediately. The GT even had the aero mirror upgrade and Cup1's so it is not as easy to tell them apart yet everyone commented about the looks of the GTS.
Testosterone and member size has nothing to do with a sound purchase that will hold its value. The GTS will always be one of the most sought after 928's making it the strongest value. As far as performance it is a perfect blend of performance and luxury, easy to drive and comfortable for long trips. The one thing I found most impressive is the torque of the 5.4 L engine over previous 928's I had driven.
To each his own. Buy what suits your needs and budget and the rest of us will do the same.
It has all been said already. If you can't figure out the attraction to the GTS over other 928's than it is not the car for you. No need to bring it down to rationalize your inability to afford one.
To me after owning an early 80 euro there was only one choice and that was the GTS. IMO these are luxury performance GT's and not sports cars as many hear would like to believe. If Hp is what you crave buy a GT and SC it. But that is not what these cars are about to me and I see little value in it.
Visually the GTS has it, the wide hips and big brakes, aero mirrors and painted rear wing stand out from a distance. These subtle changes take the car to the next level. I had my GTS parked at a show next to a beautiful GT a year ago and there was not a person that walked by that did not notice the difference immediately. The GT even had the aero mirror upgrade and Cup1's so it is not as easy to tell them apart yet everyone commented about the looks of the GTS.
Testosterone and member size has nothing to do with a sound purchase that will hold its value. The GTS will always be one of the most sought after 928's making it the strongest value. As far as performance it is a perfect blend of performance and luxury, easy to drive and comfortable for long trips. The one thing I found most impressive is the torque of the 5.4 L engine over previous 928's I had driven.
To each his own. Buy what suits your needs and budget and the rest of us will do the same.
03-07-2007, 01:39 PM
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I think a GTS for any price (70K) is still a lot of car for the money. The rarity in the USA is also a factor.
All 928s are undervalued for what they really are.
All 928s are undervalued for what they really are.
03-07-2007, 04:16 PM
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All 928s are undervalued for what they really are.
I was obviously joking in some of my posts. In all seriousness, it's actually funny in the big picture, that one must rationalize over a GTS, when they are rationalizing about a 928....PERIOD. AND, this rationalization comes up often! Does anyone else see the humor in this?
NOW HEAR THIS: there is no practical reason to own a 928! (final notice)
03-07-2007, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 928ntslow
This and many other similar statements have been made in reference to the 928 and are nothing short of the truth. Unfortunately, these words seem to fall on deaf ears most of the time.
I was obviously joking in some of my posts. In all seriousness, it's actually funny in the big picture, that one must rationalize over a GTS, when they are rationalizing about a 928....PERIOD. AND, this rationalization comes up often! Does anyone else see the humor in this?
NOW HEAR THIS: there is no practical reason to own a 928! (final notice)
I was obviously joking in some of my posts. In all seriousness, it's actually funny in the big picture, that one must rationalize over a GTS, when they are rationalizing about a 928....PERIOD. AND, this rationalization comes up often! Does anyone else see the humor in this?
NOW HEAR THIS: there is no practical reason to own a 928! (final notice)
