Bill Ball

Todd, you were doing OK until you got to this statement. And I've never seen an eBay ad yet that made a car look worse than it actually was. So, I gather you would sand and redo the cleacoat on the "bad" sections and let the new owner deal with it the right way. Another buddy bought a car that had spot repairs done and the car looked GREAT for about a year. Somebody went through the car and "spruced it up" for sale. It looks like a train-wreck now.

low miler

First off, let me say that I personally disclosed all of the negatives given to me by the seller and his mechanic and that the pictures were of poor quality, so you might be seeing something looking a lot worse than it really is. If I can upload the original pictures in this thread in their original format, that might help. I'll try.

But now you've got me freaked out thinkin' I'm unknowingly selling garbage! I mean, I've sold nearly 15-20 different 928's on Ebay, all of which were perfect. And I don't cut corners, either.

Maybe I should have made my point clear on the statement your refering to. I have any paintwork that needs to be done by the best painter at our local Porsche dealerships bodyshop......................on the side . And in doing so, I get my paintwork done at a fraction of the cost of retail................and I do mean a FRACTION of the cost! What costs the average person $5000, costs me $2000. What I meant was that if I personally bought the car myself, I would have had the paintwork professionally taken care of in the areas it needed done only, nothing more.

When my paintwork is done in the various sections that are needed, the trim, panels, moldings etc. are all removed. Nothing is done half ***. So yes, if this were my car, I would put $2-3K into it and it would be "as new". And you do not have to repaint an entire car to acheive professional results. I'll use Chuck Z's former black on black '95 GTS as my example. And I certainly didn't hear of anyone complaining about that car afterwards. Hum?

Now, if any Rennlister lives in the Pheonix area and would like to check out the car in person for me, and give me "real" results, then that would be much appreciated prior to auction close.



Todd

low miler

And here's the rest....................

jcb928

Is this the Michael Lucent car? I talked with him in August (It was on Craigslist) and if I remember correctly the A/C does not work?

It was/is a good deal but if you do not fix the A/C in Arizona what else did he skip? It is also do for a Tbelt/WP change.

Charley B

When I bought my first 928 I called the owner of Kahlers in Dublin, whom I had spent nearly $20,000 with in the previous five years for Porsche repairs, and asked him for a quote on some 928 work. He told me he would not work on 928s because in his experience owners had let them sit outside for years and everytime he would go in to repair something, two other things would fall apart in the tech's hands, and the owners would feel they were being ripped off because every repair turned into 2 or 3 repairs. From the looks of the exterior and interior of this car I have to assume there has been a fair amount of time where the owner didn't give a **** about the car. Would you let your GTS sit out in the hot sun until the paint and interior had baked to this degree? Any doctor who neglected the car to this degree needs to be sued for malpractice. Like the man said, "buyer beware".

low miler

My question would be this then: Would anyone really want to spend $10K for a total repaint on an 80,000 mile, automatic, 1993 GTS? I doubt it, but if that's what they want to do, then sobeit at their own descretion. I mean, this isn't Barrett Jackson, and this car does have the mileage and tranny type already going against it. So as I see many people trying to use a "total" repaint as a bargaining position, I seriously doubt that if they insisted on it, that it would ever really be done.

Okay back to reality. '93 automatic GTS with 80,000 miles. Great color combo with many additional leather upgrades and full originality. Needs paintwork in a couple of sections. This car by any other means would sell for $33-35K in perfect condition. And don't use that '94, 50,000 mile, black/tan GTS for $32K as a competitor in the Autotrader, either. That car's Carfax shows it as having a history of being tossed around in so many accidents, that I actually lost track of the count. So, with a perfect Carfax history to boot, this car will be bought by someone, for a great price, and they'd do nothing more than paint the two sections and have the seat re-dyed. That's realistic, and that's the reality.

Sure, if this car had 20,000 miles on it, THEEEEN you could throw IN the "TOTAL" repaint as a huuuuuuuge negotiation point, but as for this car, I just don't buy the argument. Sorry, I've done this for too long now to know the "must have done's" to the "will accept as is's".

And yes, this is the Michael Lucent car and the AC has been fixed. Thank you for someone actually pointing out that this GTS is a good deal. Funny, everyone complains about Willhoits pricing and then a $28K GTS comes along with only 79K on it in a beautiful color combination, and it's too much money. I just don't get it.

Oh, and that higher mileage black GTS that was on Ebay sold offline for between $30-32K.

I'm sorry, but if I had enough money left, I'd buy this car. And as I said, the "reserve" is much lower than the BIN. But I just can't seem to make anyone happy.

Todd

928ntslow

I think Bill points out the depth of issues for many. As it seems, most folks agree. This car might be worth more parted out. NO, I certainly wouldn't do that and I won't explain it if you don't understand the comment. Sorry, but $10K on top of what ever this car goes for, will not make it as good as some think. I would bet you that the entire interior needs replacement. Years in the hot Arizona desert does not only takes its toll heat wise, but UV damage has caused many issues...some you can't even see.

Todd, as a so called "Car Dealer", YOU should know right from the start, car owners LIE! You are saying that you are taking the word of a man who allowed this vehicle to be in the condition it is in???? BTW, a mechanic may be nothing more than a guy who performs the periodic maintenance on a vehicle. As 928 owners, we all know that there are many things to inspect on a regular basis and annually. Bet me again, that many of the items that would normally need attention have not been tended to..this includes ALL preventative maintenance as these cars need!

Bottom line, this car needs lot's of TLC.

On another note, although I do not know you Todd, I have seen the fiasco's take place on the Rennlist where you profess your innocence to certain issues and that you only sell and notify all of TOP quality cars...a high end exotic car broker as it seems you try to portray yourself.

I think you have just summed up your talents with this car.

low miler

This is one of those times I'm just bored and I'll actually respond to stupid comments like this.

The car has a HUGE maintenance history file with the one of the best Porsche service facilties in Pheonix. And if you were really smart, you'd listen to those who have commented before you on the fact that the Porsche water based paints of the early 90's had their problems.............especially on the upper areas directly hit by the sun. But, if as you said, this guy didn't give a "****" about his car, then let's put two and two together for a minute. Oh, and I'll do the math for ya' seeing as how you apparentely you can't.

Signs of neglected sun damage on Porsche 928's are always shown with a cracking of the dash, instrument pod, rear quarter leather inserts and the cargo cover. Now, let's examine those areas. Hum, I don't see any problems there as you can see from the pictures, and in addition, I had him go over all of those specific items due to the fact that I am very familiar with these cars weak points and signs of neglect.

So, signs of typical, AND NOTED, wear on the drivers seat and a couple of unavoidable paint sections and you jump to the conclusion that this guy neglected his car. Jeez, I hope you don't have any kids!

Porsche floormats, original stereo in the box, all service history, front spoiler STILL intact, and yes, that's not always the case, especially on abused cars, and all interior components intact without cracking or excessive wear.

My guess is your just the sueing type, and apparentely are also quick to rush judgement on others. That's an ugly combination alltogether.

I've found that this really helps. "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all". Especially when you don't even know what your talking about.

Schools out........................

Todd

AO

This is goona be good.

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!

In this corner, weighing in as a used car salesman, we have "low miler"

And in this corner, we have (take your pick)...

RyanPerrella

yeah Todd,

Look at what these Rennlisters did to that 87 S4 on Ebay, they tore that thing apart!

upsidedown fog lamp switch, a reflection of a brake warning light, the bairly visible POS alarm horn (God those are hideous), the carpet which they said was a wreck, which i dont get, it looked ok to me. The screw cover that was missing on one of the front bumper peices, on and on. Dont get pissed when they spot all these little things. As sterling said it just seems to be that unless its perfect its not appreciated. These guys have very well trained eyes.

However I think your being very optimistic saying it will be a gem for only another $3,000. And at $32,000 That black GTS with 90,000 miles in So Cal which looked perfect seemed a much better car. That was just last week. Sure the car only needs the roof, pillars and spoiler repainted right now, but that water based paint, isnt any good. I wouldnt buy a zermatt silver car ever! I think its the only color that used that water paint, but we now know in time that its not very durable and peels like 80's japanese cars do. It seems every Zermat car i have seen, and ive seen 3-4 of them have these same issues.

Tony

I knew it wouldnt either. That line wasnt too long ago Todd.

low miler

Well Keith, I think the fact that you don't know me pretty much sums your statements up! And yes, I do point out alot of great deals on these cars, most of them when I'm not in a position to buy them. You think that's bad? Freakin' ****!

As for the 928's I sell personally, I have sold nothing but THE best, lowest mileage examples out there (refer to Ebay username *928gts* for varification of stats). Learn and be ye moron no more! Yes, that 100% perfect feedback score "SUMS UP" my "real" talents with regards to these cars and not some forum where SOME people like to rush judgements on others without any facts to support them.

This is the very first car I've ever sold on consignment, and moreover, it's of way higher mileage than any 928 I do sell. But I'm also a realist and know that you don't get a 20,000 mile car with 80,000 miles on it.

I'm also done making appologies on this site for what I do, and am good at as well. The true facts are that I've bought and sold nearly 50 different, extremely low mileage 928's, most of which were 5 speed S4's, GT's and GTS's. And I haven't heard any complaints from ACTUAL paying customers yet. But I certainly do receive plenty of them on this site.

Your right, and for the facts Keith, you don't know me, you can't afford my cars, and it seems that you like to jump on any negative bandwagon there is. And I don't care if your negative groupies want to jump on me now too. The facts are in print, my non-friend. Why don't you check those real facts out and get back with me.........................

Todd

Tony

Somebody bump the jukebox..the record is stuck again

RyanPerrella

uhh to the point that Keith cant afford your cars, i think your wrong there LM.

His car is a former Wilhoit car, that should tell you enough there. His car is also the nicest GTS i have ever seen. I havent seen many but its "****!"

Tony

X2...Close 2nd to Chucks!