Ebay: 1993 GTS, zermatt silver, BIN $28,900!
01-30-2007, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by moon928
Above is what I meant- Todd
It wasnt until you started to defend yourself did you say the reserve was far less and the car needed work- Why couldnt you have just stated that in the first place?
It wasnt until you started to defend yourself did you say the reserve was far less and the car needed work- Why couldnt you have just stated that in the first place?
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01-31-2007, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanPerrella
Todd,
You and i have exchanged e-mails many times in the past. Please dont get defensive about this, but a i mentioned in post #3, Zermatt Silver is crap. I honestly wouldnt ever buy one, nor would i suggest any 928 buyer to either because of this paint issue. I dont think the clearcoat is gone cause some here say its been neglected, I think it just looks like crap cause the paint was crap. Ive seen at least 4 of these cars, and they ALL had similiar paint issues. There is another silver, I dont know if its polar, or arctic or what, but I would never suggest anyone buy a Zermatt colored car. Its the only color that i know of with this waterbased paint and they all seem to look like this one does some 14 years later. Its really just a defective paint. To say this color is desireable is a stretch I think.
I dont think there is anything special about the paint either, its just silver, its not like some rare silver with obvious hues of blue or something in it. If it were some super rare paint to sample silver that looked like it was chrome or something, then i could see the desireability with it, but its just a typical silver, but this one is known to have problems. I think a complete respray is necessary and if the front hood, fenders, doors dont look bad now, they will. Just repaint the whole thing, you can make it Zermatt silver but do it in a modern paint system and your all good.
It still has never been explained to me why Porsche went with a waterbased paint though. Its like in some Merc models you can get all synthetic materials in the interior, for those tree huggers out there. Maybe this was a tree hugger special thus it didnt use the typical chemicals of most every other automotive paint system. Who knows.
You and i have exchanged e-mails many times in the past. Please dont get defensive about this, but a i mentioned in post #3, Zermatt Silver is crap. I honestly wouldnt ever buy one, nor would i suggest any 928 buyer to either because of this paint issue. I dont think the clearcoat is gone cause some here say its been neglected, I think it just looks like crap cause the paint was crap. Ive seen at least 4 of these cars, and they ALL had similiar paint issues. There is another silver, I dont know if its polar, or arctic or what, but I would never suggest anyone buy a Zermatt colored car. Its the only color that i know of with this waterbased paint and they all seem to look like this one does some 14 years later. Its really just a defective paint. To say this color is desireable is a stretch I think.
I dont think there is anything special about the paint either, its just silver, its not like some rare silver with obvious hues of blue or something in it. If it were some super rare paint to sample silver that looked like it was chrome or something, then i could see the desireability with it, but its just a typical silver, but this one is known to have problems. I think a complete respray is necessary and if the front hood, fenders, doors dont look bad now, they will. Just repaint the whole thing, you can make it Zermatt silver but do it in a modern paint system and your all good.
It still has never been explained to me why Porsche went with a waterbased paint though. Its like in some Merc models you can get all synthetic materials in the interior, for those tree huggers out there. Maybe this was a tree hugger special thus it didnt use the typical chemicals of most every other automotive paint system. Who knows.
I hear what your saying and definately agree that there must be a problem with the Zermatt silver cars. However, I get people asking me all the time to find them a particular 928 in a particular color, and the second most popular request is for straight silver. Most will add that they don't want the Polar silver that I've had on many of my 928's, ironically including the one '94 GTS I did sell to Rennlister CMW. That is the silver with a tinted hue of blue in it that I think your refering too. After '94 or '95, I think that the Polar silver became an upgraded paint option at an additional cost, but I'm not for sure on that.
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01-31-2007, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by low miler
Well, that's one way of looking at a glass half empty. Or on the other hand, we can look at the facts and see it half full. Zermatt silver is the second most popular color (in my experience, second only to black), and the defects in that particular Zermatt silver GTS were mentioned in entirety in the ad.
danglerb, your just plain fishing for trouble, friends and attention now. Those comments were weak and definately unwarranted. Regardless of what the ad said, your simply picking it apart to find anything you can that's negative.
Go back to your room!
Todd
danglerb, your just plain fishing for trouble, friends and attention now. Those comments were weak and definately unwarranted. Regardless of what the ad said, your simply picking it apart to find anything you can that's negative.
Go back to your room!
Todd
I have no interest in a sunroof AT, so I have no bias in this, I merely pointed out what struck me as some of the slimier used car sales type behavior.
My guess is this thread is entirely what you wanted, just a Troll post to pimp your auction, on the any publicity is good publicity concept.
01-31-2007, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by danglerb
Its a well known fact the best color is zinc metallic, but I doubt many care how nice the color looks when it goes fubar after some time in the sun.
I have no interest in a sunroof AT, so I have no bias in this, I merely pointed out what struck me as some of the slimier used car sales type behavior.
My guess is this thread is entirely what you wanted, just a Troll post to pimp your auction, on the any publicity is good publicity concept.
I have no interest in a sunroof AT, so I have no bias in this, I merely pointed out what struck me as some of the slimier used car sales type behavior.
My guess is this thread is entirely what you wanted, just a Troll post to pimp your auction, on the any publicity is good publicity concept.
Didn't I tell you to go to your room? Your unwanted, unliked, and for all I know, don't even own a 928. Why are you still here throwing stones when for the most part everyone else is done?
I guess from what I gather about your comments regarding my ad that you would have prefered I started out with something like "Up for auction is a piece of **** GTS that is in a very undesireable color of Zermatt silver with an excessively worn interior combination of light and medium gray".
I would assume that's what you think I should have written instead, correct? I mean, it's obviously THE worst example of a GTS out there today, right? Well, according to you anyway. I would then have to gather that your probably also in sales, marketing or perhaps own your own business.
Plain and simple, I didn't have to disclose any of the defects if I were a typical used car salesman. I could have really put a spin on it, said the paint had some imperfections and that the interior was as expected for an 80,000 mile car. But I didn't do that, did I? I disclosed the pretty right along with the ugly.
You've got some personal issues that need attention far beyond this forum. Such negativity and bandwagoning is uneccesary. Quit being a coat tailor and add something of actual value or facts next time. And preferably stay out of my threads if you don't like me or them.
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01-31-2007, 01:25 AM
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I would have politely told the owner that I was sorry but the paint on the car is a known problem requiring a metal up respray and if he wasn't OK with admitting that in the ad, walked away.
My guess is that it sells, and the buyer declines to purchase after an inspection.
My guess is that it sells, and the buyer declines to purchase after an inspection.
01-31-2007, 02:44 AM
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Todd you should pop in and post here.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/326171-928-addicts-stand-and-be-recognized-just-for-fun.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/326171-928-addicts-stand-and-be-recognized-just-for-fun.html
01-31-2007, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanPerrella
It still has never been explained to me why Porsche went with a waterbased paint though. Its like in some Merc models you can get all synthetic materials in the interior, for those tree huggers out there. Maybe this was a tree hugger special thus it didnt use the typical chemicals of most every other automotive paint system. Who knows.
01-31-2007, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by low miler
And this advice from someone who has ZERO friends on the forum?
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Dlang doesn't list cars on ebay that he hasn't seen, that have extensive "wear" and then calls them gorgeous. To some, that would make him a better friend than someone who does that sort of thing.
I think it has been said more than once. If it is so cheap to repaint this car, and you have a line of credit, why don't you do your "quality" job and step up to the plate man. I suspect there is more than one misrepresentation going on here. Stop trying to be something you aren't. That's b/c you know how expensive and labor intensive it is to do a good job. That may be your only redeeming quality here. And while I'm on a roll, learn the difference between your and you're.
You give used car dealers a bad name.
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01-31-2007, 05:19 PM
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Danglerb may not have a lot of fans on the forum but most of us assume that once he gets done fumbling his way around his enthusiasm he will probably be a pretty good contributing member. He certainly seems to want to contribute.
You, on the other hand, will always be just an arrogant pain in the ***.
Other than that your fine.
Originally Posted by low miler
And this advice from someone who has ZERO friends on the forum?
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You, on the other hand, will always be just an arrogant pain in the ***.
Other than that your fine.
01-31-2007, 05:23 PM
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"Up for auction is a piece of **** GTS that is in a very undesireable color of Zermatt silver with an excessively worn interior combination of light and medium gray".
Wow! Finally, an honest listing by Todd.
just kidding
01-31-2007, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveG
I haven't met either of you, but I find the pissing contest rather one sided.
Dlang doesn't list cars on ebay that he hasn't seen, that have extensive "wear" and then calls them gorgeous. To some, that would make him a better friend than someone who does that sort of thing.
I think it has been said more than once. If it is so cheap to repaint this car, and you have a line of credit, why don't you do your "quality" job and step up to the plate man. I suspect there is more than one misrepresentation going on here. Stop trying to be something you aren't. That's b/c you know how expensive and labor intensive it is to do a good job. That may be your only redeeming quality here. And while I'm on a roll, learn the difference between your and you're.
You give used car dealers a bad name.
Dlang doesn't list cars on ebay that he hasn't seen, that have extensive "wear" and then calls them gorgeous. To some, that would make him a better friend than someone who does that sort of thing.
I think it has been said more than once. If it is so cheap to repaint this car, and you have a line of credit, why don't you do your "quality" job and step up to the plate man. I suspect there is more than one misrepresentation going on here. Stop trying to be something you aren't. That's b/c you know how expensive and labor intensive it is to do a good job. That may be your only redeeming quality here. And while I'm on a roll, learn the difference between your and you're.
You give used car dealers a bad name.
And your remarks are rather one sided as well. This is the very first car I've ever sold on Ebay that I didn't own. Why don't you check my Ebay feedback and be an idiot no more. My 100% perfect feedback speaks volumes over stricktly conjecture on this forum. That feedback comes from actual paying customers that have purchased my low mileage 928's and absolutely love them.
Why are you that blind to not even take the time to learn the facts. Instead you make a desperate attempt at correcting my spelling. Low life!
As for my contributions to this forum, whenever I'm full up on 928's, I still pass every single great deal I find onto this forum for all to see. Thereagain, why don't you take the time to check my previous threads to confirm this.
I've personally owned over 50 928's now and have sold quite a few of them on Ebay. Take the time to learn the "real" facts before opening your mouth with obsurdity.
To me, your just another bandwagoner that disregards the facts and jumps on anyone that's taking a little heat. My guess...............you were the kid that alwasy got beat up in grade school.
Why don't you go thru this post very carefully, ignore the facts again, but correct my spelling instead you freakin' genious!
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01-31-2007, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Charley B
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Originally Posted by low miler
Danglerb may not have a lot of fans on the forum but most of us assume that once he gets done fumbling his way around his enthusiasm he will probably be a pretty good contributing member. He certainly seems to want to contribute.
You, on the other hand, will always be just an arrogant pain in the ***.
Other than that your fine.
Originally Posted by low miler
Danglerb may not have a lot of fans on the forum but most of us assume that once he gets done fumbling his way around his enthusiasm he will probably be a pretty good contributing member. He certainly seems to want to contribute.
You, on the other hand, will always be just an arrogant pain in the ***.
Other than that your fine.
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01-31-2007, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by low miler
...but knowledgeable in what I do, and do well at that.
Contributing to the knowledgebase? (I'll refer you to the general tone of the feedback you've received here.)