Bill Ball

That would be one option, but when I saw the guide, I was glad he printed it out rather than me having to do it. It is two-sided, bound and will go in my work folder for the TB job. Some people work off laptop screens and don't print things out, but I find that paper is still more practical to use on a job like this. I have all the TB references and notes in a manila folder.

ROG100

John,
I have my copy thank you.
Well worth the money and do continue to sell it as there are plenty of 928 owners who work on their cars but do not visit Rennlist (strange as that may be).
I will be doing another TB & WP on an S4 soon so maybe I can help out with the extra reference detail and pictures.
Great job.
Roger

BIMMERMIKE

Ordered my copy from John Kelly through ebay, waiting for goods to arrive here.
btw: thanks again for saving me $5 on shipping charges, your a first class guy.

BIMMERMIKE

I received my copy today, very well done. I'm feeling very confident after reading the step by step manual.
My question is what kind of problems/hurdles could I potentially encounter?
I'm trying to draw from your experiences?
One problem can be broken water pumps bolts, any others?

Fabio421

Any plans on making a manual for the 16v cars? I will be happy to donate my car for the cause. LOL

Bill Ball

Michael: Maybe my tip guide will help as a supplement, although John has it covered very well.

http://billsworkshop.com/P928S4/tb/T...rces-noWSM.doc

ROG100

Bill,
What a great document - thanks.
What other gems have you got hidden away?
Roger

BIMMERMIKE

Thanks Bill, I suppose jump in 'just do it' attitude. There is plenty of experience and help is only a click away.
Don't suppose a video is available? Just kidding, I'm being more paranoid than usual.

Rick Carter

I missed it

JKelly

Thanks again Michael.
Each step in the manual will note potential problems that may be encountered during that step so that you can avoid them. Cam gear replacement (if needed), thread chasing, drilling, tapping, and using thread inserts are not covered yet. I guess pulling a stubborn crank gear or oil pump gear could be another potential obstacle if you don't have a puller.

EDIT: Bill's timing belt resource link has information about dealing with broken bolts (and a bunch of other info too) .

Eventually, although the main differences in the procedure that I am aware of is that you don't have to remove the distributor on the 16v and instead of positioning the crank to the 45 degree mark, you position it to TDC. There are differences between some of the parts of the 16v and 32v cars, but I think the procedure is basically the same. The manual is organized to the point where I think I could just delete the "extra" 32v information, insert 16v photos, and end up with a complete 16v manual.
If you come up here, you'll have to watch out for large chunks of falling ice .

I still have two left .

H2

I bought a copy of Kelly's Timing Belt Manual and am very pleased. I wish I'd had it when I did my first Tbelt job...even if just for the detailed photos. Great job...and I'm sure it will improve with future additions. Wouldn't it be nice to have similar editions for other DIY stuff that many are afraid to tackle? It should help the image and ownership desireability of the 928. Thanks, John. Great work you're doing. I probably didn't need the manual but do wish to encourage you, and I'm glad I have it. I'm doing another tbelt job this spring (on an S4) and will follow through the book as I go and make notes. I hope people don't abuse your copyright and start selling stolen photocopies on eBay.

Harvey

j.kenzie@sbcglobal.net

Wow! John, I received your TB Manual today. Very fast service and an unbelievable resource. There are people who don't need this because of their knowledge and experience. But anyone looking for TB infromation would be hard pressed to find so much in one convenient place.
I'm trying to think if I've ever spent $12 for such a great 928 item and the answer is NO.
GREAT JOB JOHN.
Thanks

marton

Hard to say the differences before seeing your manual.

On my 82 euro s 16v versus the excellent John Pirtle guide. The points you mentioned plus the alternator does not have to come off or the dipstick guide tube. There is an oil pipe that runs down the RH side front that has to come off (drain some oil off first). You do not have to touch the power steering (apart from removing the belt).
There is a little aluminium guide under the crank pulley which is held on with 2 circlips that are hard to see due to dirt.

Marton

JKelly

Thank you for the compliments everyone. I am looking forward to user experiences and any suggestions to make the manual better. For example, I didn't know that people have succeeded in putting the vibration damper on backwards......... .
I'm sure it doesn't happen very often and even though there are multiple photo's showing the direction of the damper in the manual, I have now added a written warning to the installation step. Things like this may seem like common sense to most of you, but it does occasionally "trap" others.


Hi Marton,

Thanks for noting the additional points. On the 85/86, the alternator and power steering pump share the same support brace. There are 3 bolts to loosen and then the brace can be pulled forward a couple of inches to remove the center timing belt cover. I know the support brace is different on earlier models, but does it need to be moved/removed in order to get the center timing belt cover off?

Rick Carter

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