Emissions question - non cat 88S4
Took the 88 S4 (SE) for it's emissions test today - first step in getting it registered for the road here in OZ.
The test done was an IM240 test which is a 240 second (4miinutes) test done on a dyno simulating an urban cycle and covering about 3kms - about 2 miles. This test gives results that correlate with the result from a US 1975 FTP test
In all likelihood it has failed, by a long way if it needs to meet the tests for a cat equipped car but also fails the earlier non cat test.
Results were
THC 2.77g/km
Cat pass = 0.93
Non cat pass = 2.1
NOx 1.38g/km
Cat pass = 1.93
Non cat pass = 1.9
CO 43.4 g/km
Cat pass = 9.3
Non cat pass = 24.2
CO2 298.7 g/km
No pass requirements
The worst offenders are THC and CO which suggests it is running rich, The NOx reading is low which would confirm the running rich theory.
Smog pump is connected and working, MAF is three years and no more than 10,000 miles old. Car runs brilliantly. Had full service only 200 miles ago.
I pulled a plug to check and the central electrode and outer electrode look clean like new - I don't think the plugs have been in long enough to get the normal light brown colour. But if it was running rich you'ld think they'ld get sooty and black very quickly.
I'm stumped. Why is the CO so high - I thought 928 engines were relatively clean.
Oh the other bit of data was the calculated fuel consumption was 16L/100km. approx 17.8 mpg imperial or 15mpg US - a bit low I think.
The test done was an IM240 test which is a 240 second (4miinutes) test done on a dyno simulating an urban cycle and covering about 3kms - about 2 miles. This test gives results that correlate with the result from a US 1975 FTP test
In all likelihood it has failed, by a long way if it needs to meet the tests for a cat equipped car but also fails the earlier non cat test.
Results were
THC 2.77g/km
Cat pass = 0.93
Non cat pass = 2.1
NOx 1.38g/km
Cat pass = 1.93
Non cat pass = 1.9
CO 43.4 g/km
Cat pass = 9.3
Non cat pass = 24.2
CO2 298.7 g/km
No pass requirements
The worst offenders are THC and CO which suggests it is running rich, The NOx reading is low which would confirm the running rich theory.
Smog pump is connected and working, MAF is three years and no more than 10,000 miles old. Car runs brilliantly. Had full service only 200 miles ago.
I pulled a plug to check and the central electrode and outer electrode look clean like new - I don't think the plugs have been in long enough to get the normal light brown colour. But if it was running rich you'ld think they'ld get sooty and black very quickly.
I'm stumped. Why is the CO so high - I thought 928 engines were relatively clean.
Oh the other bit of data was the calculated fuel consumption was 16L/100km. approx 17.8 mpg imperial or 15mpg US - a bit low I think.
Just talked to a vaguely automotive knowledgeable pal of mine who remembered that the SE hadn't actually been driven anywhere since it was shipped here in June - Before the test this morning I filled the petrol tank from half full to full with Super UNleaded. so it was running on a mix of half new petrol and half 5 months old petrol - could this have made a difference?
Air pump should be disconnected during test. If its not it will mess up numbers. Local yearly MOT requires measurement while all emission gear is on and working. As test is done from end of exhaust result is wrong. It should be done from small pipes in engine bay. More than one owner has had serious problems passing inspection because of this while in reality their cars were running perfectly.
HI John
CO pot was adjusted to about 0.8k ohms IIRC when I first installed your MAF back in 2003? - Car seemed to run OK so I never got around to checking it with a CO meter - maybe that is my first step.
It would be nice if that would get things back in tune
yes I'm still running the airpump, and I'll get the mixture adjusted without it runnning
CO pot was adjusted to about 0.8k ohms IIRC when I first installed your MAF back in 2003? - Car seemed to run OK so I never got around to checking it with a CO meter - maybe that is my first step.
It would be nice if that would get things back in tune
yes I'm still running the airpump, and I'll get the mixture adjusted without it runnning
Last edited by jon928se; Dec 4, 2006 at 06:42 AM. Reason: added the bit I gorgot
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Erkka
On the non cat cars the airpump pumps to the exhaust manifold - Would this change the results of the test I just had done ? The measuring device was a big pipe taking all of the exhaust gases from the car for analysis not a probe stuck in the RMB.
I think (I may be wrong) that it doesn't matter how much air my air pump put into the exhaust the numbers would have been the same ?
On the non cat cars the airpump pumps to the exhaust manifold - Would this change the results of the test I just had done ? The measuring device was a big pipe taking all of the exhaust gases from the car for analysis not a probe stuck in the RMB.
I think (I may be wrong) that it doesn't matter how much air my air pump put into the exhaust the numbers would have been the same ?
Hello jon
800ohms is too high for a "new" MAF. The nominal Bosch setting is 382ohm. Personally, I try 300 ohms and then then measure it with a CO meter and gradually adjust the pot to get to the 1% set point.
800ohms is too high for a "new" MAF. The nominal Bosch setting is 382ohm. Personally, I try 300 ohms and then then measure it with a CO meter and gradually adjust the pot to get to the 1% set point.
Hi John
That may explain it.
I checked and it was still around 0.8k ohms on pins 1 and 2 of the pot. Pin 3 doesn't appear to be connected.
I'll be up with the Lark in the morning to do some serious pot screwdrivering IIRC it's about a million turns from one end to the other. Then off to find someone with CO meter.
Further thoughts - does the idle mixture setting affect partial load mixture, or WOT mixture or is that all governed by the LH mapping? My memory of chats with you says idle only but memory being what it is ??
Cheers
That may explain it.
I checked and it was still around 0.8k ohms on pins 1 and 2 of the pot. Pin 3 doesn't appear to be connected.
I'll be up with the Lark in the morning to do some serious pot screwdrivering IIRC it's about a million turns from one end to the other. Then off to find someone with CO meter.
Further thoughts - does the idle mixture setting affect partial load mixture, or WOT mixture or is that all governed by the LH mapping? My memory of chats with you says idle only but memory being what it is ??
Cheers
Last edited by jon928se; Dec 4, 2006 at 07:22 AM.
On another point, the fuel consumption is quite high .... unless that represents quite aggressive driving around town. My (ex) euro S4 would average 10l/100km on any highway average up to 140Kmph - after that, it would increase.
Having said that, it may also be worth checking the vacuum system on the fuel regulator/damper diaphrams for 'unmetered' fuel.
Hope the CO pot is the answer ..
Having said that, it may also be worth checking the vacuum system on the fuel regulator/damper diaphrams for 'unmetered' fuel.
Hope the CO pot is the answer ..
Originally Posted by jon928se
On the non cat cars the airpump pumps to the exhaust manifold - Would this change the results of the test I just had done ? The measuring device was a big pipe taking all of the exhaust gases from the car for analysis not a probe stuck in the RMB.
I think (I may be wrong) that it doesn't matter how much air my air pump put into the exhaust the numbers would have been the same ?
I think (I may be wrong) that it doesn't matter how much air my air pump put into the exhaust the numbers would have been the same ?
Chaad, THC is basically measuring unburnt fuel - if it was burnt completely there would be no Hydrocarbons.
Garth
Fuel consumption as measured was quite high - I am guessing that because the equipment used was measuring both the total volume of exhaust gases and the gaseous content it is reasonably accurate. Although it seems higher than I have actually experienced around town, and like you I have found most economical speed is around 3k rpm in 5th gear - approx 10l/100km or approx 30mpg.
Garth
Fuel consumption as measured was quite high - I am guessing that because the equipment used was measuring both the total volume of exhaust gases and the gaseous content it is reasonably accurate. Although it seems higher than I have actually experienced around town, and like you I have found most economical speed is around 3k rpm in 5th gear - approx 10l/100km or approx 30mpg.


