Brett928S2

Hi

Near the end of the race with the Lambo...I was around 5400/5500 ...my limiter comes in at 6375...so i had some left

Having said that .....I wouldnt have gone anywhere near 6375....as leaning out an engine running Nitrous isnt very bright lol

All the best Brett

PORSCHE 928 S2 AUTO V8 4.7 LTR 1986 IRIS METALLIC BLUE WITH X-PIPES ,RMB ,PROMAX CHIPS, KICKDOWN SWITCH, K&N, WIZARDS OF NOS - NITROUS KIT 150 HP JETTING - 505 BHP / 500 FT LBS TORQUE
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Jim Nowak

I recently purchased a Mercedes twin-turbo CL600. It's not on the cheap list but it makes a great daily driver. Not to mention, with an ECU tune from Kleeman or Renntech, I'll have a 600+ hp daily driver.

Here is a before and after dyno chart of the Renntech ECU tune:

cobalt

Bill,

Actual production numbers of the 944 turbo were relatively high. The 88 Turbo S and 89 turbo which was the same as the 88 S but wasn't designated as such.These may be somewhat categorized as rare cars. Don't hold me to it but it was a little over 700 88 turbo S's and close to 3000 89's for US market. The 86 turbo had the highest production run but was not as fast and did not have ABS. The 87 an 88 stock turbos were almost the same as the 86's just with added ABS and improved cooling. In all I believe the total number of 944 turbos comes close to 20,000 for US market but don't hold me to it.


Brett,

I agree gearing is not the only thing that governs top speed. Aerodynamics and hp do play a large roll. I drove from StGallen Switzerland to Rotterdamn Holland back in 1984. 1790 miles or something like that. Took a little less than 7 hours averaging over 155mph. The 911 I was driving had a rather tall 5th gear and I found it interesting how the last 10 mph were generated out of the last 300 rpms before redline. I also found it interesting how only 1 or 2 mile han hour difference would make you feel like you were walking away from other cars when you start exceeding 150mph for long durations.

Jim,

Impressive charts but be careful with the Kleeman upgrade. I have a friend who did this to his E55 and he ended up detonating the engine after only a few months. Warranty was void and MB would not touch the car. I haven't talked to him recently but last I heard he wasn't getting anywhere with Kleeman.

Jim Nowak

Renntech it is! Yeah, I can't afford to replace one of these engines.

Bill Coleman

According to what I've bee able to find, it was 1385 '89 944 turbos (http://www.connact.com/~kgross/FAQ/944faq03.html) vs. 835 '89 928s (http://www.928gt.com/t-928evo.aspx). In any case, neither sold in large numbers, so in terms of being 'exotic' I don't think the quantities favor one over the other.

cobalt

Actually, I have seen numbers that contradict both of those sources but as you said I don't think one is favored much over the other. The 944 numbers are definitely way low. They only have 98 1988 S models listed when the number was definitely closer to 700 and I am almost positive it is closer to double the number listed for the 89's although my info may include Canadian cars. usually they fall under US spec. They are also way off on the 944 S2 production numbers.

Ed Hughes

Shoulda had a 911 Carrera ('84-89) on there also......

Bill Coleman

I was a bit doubtful of the 944 numbers myself. I tried to find 2nd sources for both values but didn't have any real luck and didn't feel like spending the rest of the afternoon trying.

cobalt

Don't blame you.

I will see if I can find it on my end, I know I have it from when I researched my 944S2.

marton

Hi Bill,
as Bill said

I did say it was quick & manouverable but as you say; it all depends on how you define exotic.

No matter how many 944 turbos were sold there were a heck of a lot of basic 944s sold; I am not sure a few mods to a basic 944 (even though factory built) makes it exotic. I would say more of a Q car than exotic
Nevertheless if I had the spare cash and the space then I would be very tempted to buy one.

Marton

Vilhuer

Numbers for '88 regular turbos are 989 ROW and 1163 US models, total 2152.
'88 Turbo S numbers should be 917 ROW and 718 US making total 1635.
'89 951 on other hand is 1236 ROW and 1286 US which equals total 2522.

In '88 Porsche did 2185 ROW S4, 10 ROW CS, 42 UK SE, 267 S4 for Japan, 1792 US S4 and 2 US CS. Total is 4298.
'89 it was 2421 ROW S4/GT, 7 ROW CS and 1190 US S4/GT. Total 3618.

All US numbers include Canadian cars. 35 ROW and 38 Canadian cup cars made in '88 are not part of above numbers. Adding NA engines into 944 numbers multiblies total to five times larger.

As production nunbers are total mess its impossible to say exactly how accurate above numbers are but I believe them to be as close as currently possible. Its possible some prototypes are missing from count. '88 ROW S4 might be 4346 for example. Data is from Jörg Austen books which should contain real factory numbers and VIN ranges. Problem is than there are several printing mistakes on numbers he lists. Market totals Austen gives don't match VINs he lists but I believe its possible to make some sense of them anyway.

cobalt

You beet me to it.

My numbers are closer to yours than I remember I have 1136 standard 88 turbos and the 718 88 turbo S's but I am showing 1,385 89 turbos for the US market. The total number of US turbos was actually less than I remember with a taotal just shy of 14,000 from 86 to 89. Not a significantly large number but not exotic quantity either. The turbo S is still a very nice car along with the 944S2 and the 968. Although the turbo S can be made fast it is nothing to brag about in stock form. Many sedans and SUV's today will out accelerate a stock 944 turbo.

Mark

Yea - but then you have to turn!

My '86 951 (albeit, with significant mods - see the list in my sig) is much quicker then my 928S2, handles better, etc....but - I don't consider her an 'exotic'. She IS one helluva high performance sports car, tho!

Nice to know that I have 16.7% of the list in my fleet!

cobalt

No denying that unless you live in Northern NJ. I found my 944S2 with 968 M030 suspension and Toyo RA-1's to be a superior handling car on street and track. Doesn't do all so well for autocross but still fun and a heck of a lot better than the GTS. Very neutral handling car.


A nicely moded 951 can be a very fast car in both handling and acceleration. Ideally a turbo 968 would be a great toy.

Bill Coleman

ex‧ot‧ic  /ɪgˈzɒtɪk/
–adjective
1. of foreign origin or character; not native; introduced from abroad, but not fully naturalized or acclimatized: exotic foods; exotic plants.
2. strikingly unusual or strange in effect or appearance: an exotic hairstyle.
3. of a uniquely new or experimental nature: exotic weapons.
4. of, pertaining to, or involving stripteasing: the exotic clubs where strippers are featured.

So...

By #1, even a Kia is exotic?

#2 is highly subjective, but would apply to a 944 turbo or 928 equally in my mind.

As for #3 - the 928 was a radical departure for Porsche. And the 944 turbo evolved from the original 924 - which itself was different than anything Porsche built before. But in this context I don't think they qualify as 'exotic'.

And based on #4, any car owned by a stripper is exotic?