Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

Motor Mount and pan gasket party -Resolution

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-09-2006, 11:48 AM
  #61  
Mike Frye
Craic Head
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
Mike Frye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jersey Shore, USA
Posts: 8,795
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Andrew,
Sorry, I just saw your other thread on the clutch. Didn't mean to bring up a sore subject. Glad you made it in time for the MI beer night.

I guess we can put this thread to bed, thanks for keeping it alive and for the advice as you went through some similar steps. I hope I don't need a clutch anytime soon, but if I do I'll look you up for advice.
Old 11-09-2006, 01:24 PM
  #62  
Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Wilbraham, MA
Posts: 2,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Andrew,

Do those bearings look as coppery in real life as they do on my monitor? If so, I think they all look well worn, or am I missing something.

Mike,

The clutch is a (relaively) easy job.
Old 11-09-2006, 01:31 PM
  #63  
SMTCapeCod
Race Car
 
SMTCapeCod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Mechanochondriacism
Posts: 4,698
Received 20 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
The clutch is a (relaively) easy job.
I'll remember that remark!

Andrew- I back-tracked through the thread but didn't see a reference-- did you go with the SPEC clutch? or 928MS? Impressions? More info needed!
Old 11-09-2006, 01:40 PM
  #64  
AO
Supercharged
Rennlist Member
 
AO's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Back in Michigan - Full time!
Posts: 18,925
Likes: 0
Received 59 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
Andrew,

Do those bearings look as coppery in real life as they do on my monitor? If so, I think they all look well worn, or am I missing something.
No, that's the lighting. They were perfectly gray.

Originally Posted by SMTCapeCod
Andrew- I back-tracked through the thread but didn't see a reference-- did you go with the SPEC clutch? or 928MS? Impressions? More info needed!
I went with the Spec Stage 3+ clutch. And Stan's right... it was relatively easy. Here are the threads for the clutch. Read Thread 1 for impressions on the clutch.

Thread 1 - Ahhh F! I think I f'd my clutch! Warning to 5-speed boostards

Thread 2 - Pics of a glazed Flywheel & leaky RMS
Old 11-09-2006, 01:49 PM
  #65  
Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Wilbraham, MA
Posts: 2,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Have you done a clutch yet? Getting everything out of the way takes most of the time. Of course I must admit, while my clutch is a dual disk, I have never dealt with an adjustment issue. It is also the same clutch that has been in the car since I got it in '89, including a dozen or so races and a few dozen track days.
Old 11-09-2006, 01:53 PM
  #66  
Mike Frye
Craic Head
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
Mike Frye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jersey Shore, USA
Posts: 8,795
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Stan,

Don't know who you addressed that question to. But since Andrew just finished one, I think it might be me?

I've done clutches before in several cars, but not a 928. I've always had to pull the engine to do it in the other cars, which I've read isn't required for this one, so I'm curious. Just not curious enough to try it until I need it.
Old 11-09-2006, 02:03 PM
  #67  
Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Wilbraham, MA
Posts: 2,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Hi Mike,

Actually my response was to our Cape Cod Euro S owner

The clutch in the 928 is surprisingly simply. The american muscle cars I worked on in the past required dropping the transmission. In the 928 there is a shaft that once uncoupled is slid backwards disengaging the shaft from the pilot bearing and it comes right out. Also makes reassembly easier as you simply have to align the shaft into the pilot bearing. With the american muscle cars the transmission had to be aligned, which made it a much more difficult 1 person job.

I haven't found a task on a 928 that requires two people yet....
Old 11-09-2006, 02:08 PM
  #68  
Mike Frye
Craic Head
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
Thread Starter
 
Mike Frye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Jersey Shore, USA
Posts: 8,795
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Hey Stan,

Didn't mean to interrupt your hijack of my thread . Just kidding. I really appreciate all your advice whether it's addressed to me or not.

I'm glad the clutch isn't THAT difficult, and from what little I've read about it the only thing you have to do is wear a helmet so it doesn't knock you out when it drops.

As far as no two man jobs, I guess that assumes you've got the right one there .

Thanks again.
Old 11-09-2006, 02:24 PM
  #69  
Tom928
Rennlist Member
 
Tom928's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Forest Grove, Oregon
Posts: 631
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

This maybe a stupid question; however, after you replace rod bearings is there a seating or break-in period?
Old 11-09-2006, 02:41 PM
  #70  
Bill Ball
Under the Lift
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Bill Ball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Buckeye, AZ
Posts: 18,647
Received 46 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Andrew Olson
RMS, sucks! Getting out wasn't too bad, but getting the new one in... I swore so much I ran out of explatives and had to invent new ones! Just when you think you've got it started, it pops out. PITA!

But it's done... finally.
Fully agree. I pressed it in using two plates drilled with holes for two flywheel bolts to pass through. Snug the bolts and the plates push it in.
Old 11-09-2006, 03:01 PM
  #71  
AO
Supercharged
Rennlist Member
 
AO's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Back in Michigan - Full time!
Posts: 18,925
Likes: 0
Received 59 Likes on 33 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Fully agree. I pressed it in using two plates drilled with holes for two flywheel bolts to pass through. Snug the bolts and the plates push it in.
I thought about that, but then I would think I finally have it... pop! Persistence paid off in the end.

Originally Posted by Tom928
This maybe a stupid question; however, after you replace rod bearings is there a seating or break-in period?
Don't know. I need to take it easy on the clutch for 450 miles or warranty will not apply, so I figure that should be a good break-in for the bearings too.
Old 11-30-2007, 07:47 PM
  #72  
fraggle
Rennlist Member
 
fraggle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Bristow, VA
Posts: 3,402
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Any need to mic anything or are the bearings a bolt-and-play proposition? It sounds like a relatively easy job if you're in there anyway...
Old 12-01-2007, 09:26 AM
  #73  
Ed Hughes
Rennlist Member
 
Ed Hughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 16,507
Received 77 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by fraggle
Any need to mic anything or are the bearings a bolt-and-play proposition? It sounds like a relatively easy job if you're in there anyway...

Anytime you've got exposed machined surfaces like crank or rod journals, it's ALWAYS good to do a thorough visual inspection as well as measurements to assure that all is within spec.
Old 01-17-2008, 06:48 PM
  #74  
MPDano
Instructor
 
MPDano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Sunny San Diego
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ed Hughes
Anytime you've got exposed machined surfaces like crank or rod journals, it's ALWAYS good to do a thorough visual inspection as well as measurements to assure that all is within spec.
I was wondering that same question too. I never got into block work, but everything above the block (cylinder heads, etc.). I remember when I was a kid and my dad replaced Crank or Rod bearings, he used some type of gauge or putty. I was too young to understand nor had any interest at the time, so I didn't catch that lesson. Do you just buy the bearings and install, or are there choices in sizes? Also, kinda OT, but can you pull a piston and change rings through the bottom?
Old 01-17-2008, 06:58 PM
  #75  
Ed Hughes
Rennlist Member
 
Ed Hughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Bend, OR
Posts: 16,507
Received 77 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

The stuff your dad used is Plastigage, it measures the clearance from the crank to the bearings.

I don't think you can pull the piston from the bottom with the crank in place. You'd do more harm than good, even if you could. Bearings are made in different sizes to account for machining that may be needed on a crank. If the crank has been machined, you'd have to go with the appropriate bearings. If it is stock, and you're using standard bearings, the Plastigage will confirm that the clearance is proper.


Quick Reply: Motor Mount and pan gasket party -Resolution



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:25 PM.