ROG100

Andrew,
I came to the same conclusion and reused the original bolts and loctited them in place.
Could not see the advantage of studs.
Roger
PS The spring washers are just an added bit of security. Not required IMOO.

Mike Frye

John, Dave,

Thanks for the advice. I didn't see anything about the thread/wire ties for the pan gasket when I was looking this stuff up. You should send that in to Greg Nichols' site to add to the general wisdom, that's a great idea.

Bill, I don't think the pan is making contact with the crossmember, but it's really sagging on the passenger side and not much better on the driver's side.

As far as cleaning up, I've got most of the gunk out of there from the several weeks I've had the car


----Saturday morning: soccer practice, get coffee, jack up car, roll under and see what we can clean/tighten/fix this week...
Anyway, I know I have to clean where the gasket was, but hopefully I won't spend more than an hour cleaning the rest of the gunk under there. You're all scaring me with these stories and now I'm nervous about it. I hope some of you are going to be online during the day Friday in case I get stuck on something.

AO

Hi Roger-

Thanks for the feedback. Do you use anything on the bolts like blue locktite or antisieze? Also, how tight are you tightening the bolts? TIA.

ROG100

Andrew,
I used blue loctite and tightened them with two fingers on a 1/4" drive socket wrench. About 6 to 10 Ft Lbs.
So far no movement.
Roger

AO

Perfect! Thanks Rog. You're okay, no matter what everyone else keeps telling me.

ROG100

And its not true what they say about you either

Dave Howerdel

Mike,
I'd help out but I won't be back until Sat evening. I'm planning to work on my cars all day Sun.
87 -
inner tie rod
rotors and pads all the way around
Power steering return hose

85 -
replace starter

88-
O2 sensor
check flex plate

All-
oil/filter change

I figure a good 1-2 hrs

Mike Frye

Hey Dave,

Nice . Yeah, sounds like about 1-2 hours, what do you plan to do in the afternoon?

I just hope this warm weather holds out through the weekend. I'm working in the garage, but there's no heat out there and it's getting to be that time of year when I'd rather not have my feet sticking out from under a car for too long at a time.

Oil changes are nice if it's cold out 'cause you can warm it up a bit first and they don't take long. Brakes are tough when you can't feel your fingers though. The knuckles don't start bleeding until your hands thaw out a bit.

Enjoy your weekend.

Bill Ball

I used a thin coat of Yamabond on the gasket - non-hardening sealant - so the gasket stayed in place on the pan as I lifted it into place. Porsche did it dry, as with the water pump, but I Yamabond that too. Yamabond (or equivalent Hondabond, Threebond) are nice because they are easy removal later - stay soft and they are somewhat soluble in brake cleaner.

If the pan is not making contact, then you probably don't have any gross vibrations, so the new mounts are going to be more preventative. A collapsed mount may still be transmitting some vibratiosn, but not as much as when the pan is on the crossmember.

A number of us are almost always here.

Iris and Kevin

Hey Mike,

Sorry I can't be there to help...weekdays aren't good as the kids have school!

Hope the job goes well.

Good luck!

Mike Frye

Hey Kevin,

I knew a weekday wasn't going to generate much company. I had to weigh it against my weekend availability. I'd rather miss work to work on the car than miss the weekend obligations. Also I need the cushion in case SOMETHING GOES WRONG.

Not enough sharks cruising around the beach these days now that the 'season' is over.

Maybe next year we can have a 'sharks at the beach' gathering or something.

Thanks everyone for the advice and kind words. I'll have a beer for each and every one of you (when the job's done) and I'll post on Friday during the day if I get hung up on anything. (fingers crossed).

SharkSkin

About the studs/bolts question... I think it comes down to a matter of preference. I like the idea that the studs get loctited in place once and only once -- they stay put and there is no need to clean the threads and reapply loctite in the future(unless I go for a major teardown and want to boil out the block/girdle). The nuts that are sold with the stud kit are locknuts, swaged steel that will not loosen over time and could be re-used if necessary. IMHO it's just a better solution having a locknut than relying entirely on glue. I hope it's a long time before I have to go back in there.

ROG100

Dave,
I see the point thanks.
I do not plan on going in again for a long time.
Roger

Bill Ball

To help determine if gasket compression or bolts turning accounts for finding loose bolts in the months after a new gasket, mark the bolt heads with a paint dab after you torque them. I wish I had. I did not Loc-tite the bolts, and several were found loose later. I resnugged them, being careful not to do this too much. After a couple of times, they have stayed snug and I have no leaks over 3 years later. Even with Loc-tite, you will wonder why if you find some loose ones later, so mark them.

Mike Frye

Bill,

Good call. I'm thinking red, it needs a little bit of color down there.