UKKid35

Jim wondered out load why people would fit a $20 Anchor engine mount rather than a genuine Porsche part costing 20 times as much. I can't understand why people don't always use the most cost effective option.

I have just bought a new fuel hose from Porsche in the UK, it runs from the pump/filter assembly up to the top of the rear wheel arch. At the same time I bought the two flexible hoses at the front and rear of the engine fuel rails, both known to have caused engine fires. The other items in the picture is the rubber boot around the filler cap and a retaining clip.

The total cost of these parts was $315 (or £170 as they were purchased in the UK). If I could have bought these more cheaply using a supplier of patent parts I would have done.

I would never buy wheel bearings or fuel pumps or relays from Porsche, and whenever possible I buy used parts from Jim. It simply doesn't make economical sense to buy genuine parts from Porsche unless there's no alternative.

ROG100

I agree 100%

heinrich

Ironically I don't think Mr JimB sells all Porsche parts .......

killav

UKKid35,

Could you post those part numbers?

Thanks,

FlyingDog

I think you have to make the decision on an individual part basis. For parts where you can get the part from the OEM of the Porsche part or a direct replacement (Bosch, Hella, Zimmerman, etc.) go for it. For parts that are important for safety or reliability I'd rather buy Porsche than some non-direct fit replacement, even if it costs more. For parts like motormounts, the Porsche parts price absurd and the Anchor part is nearly a direct fit so I think the obvious solution is the Anchor mounts.

UKKid35

928 356 053 01 Fuel Line, large flexible
928 201 333 02 Boot
900 906 046 00 Outer ring for boot
928 110 269 01 Fuel rail connector Straight
928 110 271 02 Fuel line Omega shape

Jim bailey - 928 International

Actually the irony that I was pointing out was how does one profess to believe that the 928 is a product of superior design far ahead of it's time yet possibly compromise that by using parts not designed for that use. Obviously for most the issue is the Porsche mounts are considered too expensive based on the perception of what they think they WERE DESIGNED to do... Perhaps like the new refrigerator saleman who casully mentioned to the prospect..."And here is the tray in the door for the butter" Later his manager explained to him that the engineers had designed the tray in the door and had carefully removed some of the insulation so that the butter would stay about 20 degrees warmer. That way the butter was easy to spread helps keep you from tearing the bread or having lumps of butter in your sandwich. Yet to the salesman it was just a tray ... It makes no real difference to me what people opt to do to their cars because it is their car. As far as motor mounts are concerned you can actually eliminate all the rubber and simply bolt the engine to the chassis......that works too,it holds the engine in the car .

kary4th

Of course, that's assuming that Porsche engineers spent time developing motor mounts for the 928 specifically. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. I don't think they spent R&D money developing new rubber fuel hose technology for the 928. So why does 13 inches of hose that goes from my tank to my fuel pump on my '78 cost $40? No special reason.

Shane

I see that irony as well!!

killav

Thank you UKKIdd, I have nightmares of engine fires. These hoses will be next on my to do list.

hacker-pschorr

Ok, I like to take away something useful from every thread. Once again the most usefull tid-bit is comging from Jim:

If you are going to use cheap motor mounts - spread some soft butter on them first.

Jim bailey - 928 International

The only reason 928 International exists is because most feel that Porsche parts prices are too high and we often offer alternatives. Perhaps from Porsches point of view when you are buying parts for a 928 you are buying parts for a $100,000 car or from the most PROFITABLE automaker in the world on a per unit basis. Bottom line is the bottom line and Porsche charges high prices .....because they CAN. Porsche is known for building expensive high perfomance vehicles , take a late model 911 to the dealer and expect to pay about $250 for an oil change !

the flyin' scotsman

If this is the case then Porsche should realise that the 928 is no longer a $100,000 car.........the average selling price is probably a fifth of that. If their part prices reflected the true value of the car perhaps they would do more volume and realise more profit?, maybe even keep more of the cars on the road, which as they get older require more parts.

I wonder how many of us owners today would have our cars if they did cost ~$100k..........not I.

blown 87

If not more

dr bob

Not in any specific order:

-- The 928 was the flagship car, sold for a price that only a few could afford. The fact that they sell for so much less today might be a concern for the factory only because a few of us drive 928's instead of neww 996 or 997 cars. Once the new car leaves the lot sold, the factory looks at them only as possible warranty and maintenance headaches.

-- The butter dish. We heat our homes because it's cold outside. Inside, we put a box to keep our food cold. Inside that box, we put a smaller box with its own little plastic door with the word "butter" molded in. We heat that little box to make the butter easier to spread. Irony?

-- Porsche did in fact design the motor mounts specifically for the car. They sold the idea to Ford to help with NVH problems on the light trucks. Ford alters the standard to lower the prices some, and buys a zillion of them compared with what Porsche bought. Want to do an apples comparison? Go see what that hydraulic mount kit costs from Ford. In 1995, the hydraulic mounts and brackets for my Explorer went for over $800 as a warranty line item. I'l bet a donut that Ford's price on the same parts has gone up rather than down, even though the market for 1992 Explorers is now 5% of what they sold for new.

-- Why does the hose from the 1978 tank to the fuel pump cost $40? It only "costs" $5 to make and place on the manufacturer's shipping desk. Manufacturer only makes a few dozen a year now, so they still amortize tthe tooling costs over the few they make. There's the labor for the setup on the machine to bend and swadge the hose ends. Packaging and labeling. Throw profit in there. Yes, one should actually be allowed to make a profit even if the car it's going on is old. Then there's the liability insuance that the manufacturer has to eat, on the chance that a rogue Audi 5000 ends up behind you at the toll gate and the hose ruptures in the ensuing wreck and fire. Now ship that part to a wharehouse, where it's stored and inventoried. Do the same thing again, this time at a dealer or someplace like 928 Int'l. Pay for the operations there, for Jim and Tom, and the dozen others who keep the place going. Mark wants a little slice of the action, Renee probably wants a slightly bigger slice. Put it in a box for shipping to NZ, BG, AU, or the US. Make enough money on top of all that to keep Jim available to help with problems, to cover the losses on stuff that gets returned defective when it just wasn't what the customer though they needed. Cover taxes, rent, insurance. Now, the real question should be something like "How can they sell that hose for only $40?"

-- Somebody in Texas is willing to pay for a set for his car, in case the cause of the fire isn't really one of the few survivng Audi 5000's. Happy to come up with the bargain price of only $40.


-- Oil changes. How long does it take you to do an oil change service on your later 928? An hour all in? Tht's rolling car to rolling car, removing the belly pans and trays, inspecting everything under there while it's exposed. Drain th oid oil, remove the filter. Clean up the mess on the oil sump. Replace the drain plug, prefill and install the new filter. Pour in 8 qts of the customer's choice of oil. Start car and verify that there are no leaks. Finish cleaning the dribbles off the motor so there's no smoke later. Replace pans and trays. The whole episode takes me an hour, assuming that I have all the parts, tools and oil on hand. Have to dispose of the old oil, crush and dispose of that hazardous-waste filter too.At the local dealer, they charge at least $150/hr flat rate. The oil is marked up double what I pay for it at Wal-Mart, to $15/qt. Filter is $10-12 if I'm lucky at the dealer. To make that come out to 'only' $250, I need to discount the oil, short-change the labor rate, or do the job in a big hurry and don't do all the "other" stuff like the inspections and the final wipe. 996/997 cars may hold a little more oil with the dry-sump tank, may not have the belly pans. The 928 cost more in 1995 dollars than a new NA 996 costs in todays dollars. Even ignoring the time value of money, it "should" cost a lot less to do the 996/997, right?

Comparison: Karen's 4-Runner costs about $75 for the same service at the Toyota store. She won't let me work on it, even to do oil changes. Says it's cheaper to have the dealer do it. It will need a timing belt before 100k, but she'll probably trade it in on a new one before it's out of warranty.

There's always the econo-lube places if the dealer prices scare you. After all, it's just oil, right? After all, it's just a motor mount, right?

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