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I have driven both. It depends on the situation and the driver. For sharp quick lane changes like when your testing a car, a lighter, shorter wheelbase wins but for real driving with fast sweepers etc. I'll take the 928.

I have personal experience with 944's and new 996's and the 928 takes the 944 and equals the 996. But neither will give the same relaxed and comfortable feel as the 928 when being pushed.

Larry928GTS

Came across the following on another board the other day. Since 911 handling is being discussed here, I thought it might be of interest to some.

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/9383/930suit0bh.jpg

LaughaC

Good point. I've never heard the 928 handling described as poisonous, as they do the 930.

worf928

Nice find. If that's the case I think it is then the same law firm that successfully sued Porsche in the case described is now suing Porsche (and everybody else) over the deaths in CA in the Carrera GT (See CGT Forum) on behalf of the passenger's widow.

Too bad I wasn't on the Jury in 1980. 60 in a 25 m.p.h zone? Cause and Effect.

Ed Hughes

The 911/930 platform isn't a negative, or "poisonous" trait, due to it's rear weight bias! That's the reason they are such awesome track cars, even when competing against more powerful cars. That said, the driver needs to know what they're doing. One must have a brave right foot when the car starts to slide, as the car doesn't reward timid drivers. Ask me how I know! (you haven't lived until you've spun a 911 at 90mph on the track!)

My 928 is a joy to drive, the ultimate mix of handling, power, style & comfort. It gobbles up miles. If you have to go somewhere, particularly a long distance, fire up the shark.

My 911 is the car to drive, however, if I want to truly go out and test my skills and feed my "need for speed" on a Saturday morning.

Apples and Oranges.

cobalt

Ed,

Living?? I spun my previous 911 at LRP at 100mph and I agree it was quite the experience. Almost stained my shorts. When I came to a stop I looked up the embankment to see people snapping pictures. Not something I care to repeat too often.


Couldn't agree more. I took the turbo on a long highway drive I normally take the 928 on and it was not as pleasurable. I did make better time as I can maneuver through traffic much easier than the 928 can but it is fatiguing and without the twisty turns somewhat boring in the 911. The 928 is perfect for long cruising drives.

JG928S4

Here is what R & T said 23 years ago 83 vs. 83 911 Faster than Audi Quattro, 928 faster than both.

jakermc

In July, 1984 Car & Driver had an article titled "The Best-Handling Imported Car Is ..." Tests were performed on an SCCA Pro Solo Gumkhana course. They also ran the cars at Willow Springs and performed a few other tests. From these tests, it was clear the 911 trumps the 928 at handling:

Skid Pad, smooth: 911 0.84G, 928 0.76G
Skid Pad, bumpy: 911 0.82G, 928 0.76G
900ft slalom mph: 911 59.8, 928 58.2
lane change mph: 911 53.7, 928 50.7
braking into a corner mph: 911 51.7, 928 51.2
accelerating out of a corner mph: 911 42.1, 928 40.4
SCCA gymkhana mph: 911 25.6, 928 24.5
Willow Springs turn 5 mph: 911 74.2, 928 70.1
Lap average mph: 911 86.7, 928 85.1
Objective test summary (max score 72): 911 61pts., 928 26pts.

It was a clean sweep for the 911. Sure the 928 may be faster at some tracks, but thats due to speed on the straights, not in the turns. The 928 is a great GT cruiser and decent sports car, but its not a pure bred sports car like a 911. A 928 shouldn't be expected to out handle a 911 on a race track, it wasn't designed to do that. However if we define 'handling' as 'easy to drive fast' then the 928 would win. The 911 takes quite a bit more attention to detail to drive fast. So let me ask again, how are we defining 'handling' in this poll?

worf928

There is something very fishy about that statistic. Perhaps the experienced racers of the group can opine. From a physics standpoint it is very fishy unless there was a great disparity in relative tire sizes on the two cars.

heinrich

A 911 carries a lot less weight into the corner, and weight transfers appropriately to the frint if done as any worthy 911 driver does. The 928 is indeed more balanced, but weight transferred forward is exactly the same at the end of the day. The heavier 928 cannot carry the 911's speed into a front straight end brake. Not unless it is significantly lightened.

928SS

I refuse to apologize for my fat n lazy 928 the obvous answer is to have 1 of each - and a pasta rocked, plane, RV, pickup, limo so that one has the perfect vehicle for any occasion.

mark kibort

my 928 keeps up with many of the 1999-2000vintage 996 GT3 cup cars,with similar mods. 15 year older car as well. as you know, the cup car is head and shoulders above the older 911s. you cant compare a 2000lb super gutted 911 to a 2700 928 . weight differences are a huge factor on handling and breaking, although, the bigger tires you can fit on the 928 makes up for some of the diff.

my car is still stockish with a set of headers, street sport suspension, wheels and tires, and gutted. there are NO other porsches made that can have these mods and keep up with it. (or any other production cars 10 years newer)

mk

Dennis K

I voted equal.

If you have 9 minutes to kill, I recorded this at a Speedventures Time Trial event at Buttonwillow.

993 vs. 928S4 (35 MB)

Both cars have:
stock engine w/ exhaust mods,
track suspension mods,
some interior gutting,
rollbars & racing seats,
drivers w/ similar skills at the wheel,
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires,
the fastest paint color (black).

Best laptimes were w/in a second of each other.

cobalt

I agree that you can make any car handle but I thought the thread started based on stock or at best simple bolt on modifications. Gutting a 928 will make a ton of difference (no pun intended ) I think when throwing Marks car into the picture makes this more apples and oranges and from what I have read throwing Mark into the picture puts most others at an unfair disadvantage no matter what car he is driving.

Anyone have access to test equipment and a location. I have a 94 turbo and a 93 GTS both built within 3 months of each other and I would be curious to know which comes out on top. (Although I am 90% sure I know which will triumph).

Technically these are the best of both variants and it would make for an interesting contest. I think we could safely say that this would also cover most of the newer cars because many articles written show the 964 turbo to be very close or better in performance to the 993TT (stock and modified) 996TT and even the 959. These articles were also running stock suspension and narrow rear tires.

I have similar suspension setups in both cars (although the GTS has better sways and slightly stiffer springs) and both are running the same PS2 tires. I know I can easily dust the 928 at most autocorss events in the turbo and form the seat of the pants feel the turbo would do the same on a track even with the lesser suspension.

If anyone can organize it close to my home tracks I would be game. I think it might answer many arguments. Although We would need to figure out insurance and other things first.

Vilhuer

Since I dug out kg/hp data for GTS and 951S for other thread here's ROW model comparison between 964T, 928 GTS etc.

Not bad list at all from 928 point of view. I think many times people tend to forget 928 has more hp than many other period models and this helps even though 928 weighs 100-200 kg more. Lighter car is more it suffers when US equipment is added. If US order changes in some way most likely 928's will go higher at the list. Raw numbers don't tell whole story but who can say 928 has bad suspension design or brakes compared to other period Porsches?