Anyone has contact info for Andy Keel?
04-27-2006, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
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When you locate him, please say hi to him for me and tell him my car is still running very well after over a year and 15k miles since the Supermodel install.
When you locate him, please say hi to him for me and tell him my car is still running very well after over a year and 15k miles since the Supermodel install.
04-27-2006, 02:42 PM
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Yeah, the car has been a dream to drive. The old rough idle problem went away when I moved the vacuum source for the bypass from the manifold to the throttle. Since then, no issues at all.
We still have tire marks in the street !
04-27-2006, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Yeah, the car has been a dream to drive. The old rough idle problem went away when I moved the vacuum source for the bypass from the manifold to the throttle. Since then, no issues at all.
Hey Bill Send me a pic or someting of that.
Thats the only little gremlin i have. Worse when warm.
04-29-2006, 01:24 PM
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04-29-2006, 01:39 PM
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Tony:
Andy insisted the "vacuum" control source for the bypass valve be hooked to the manifold, after the SC. So, he T'd off the source used for the boost gauge. The bypass valve has its own vacuum source port built-in, which samples the pre-SC intake. Andy blocked that off with a bolt and made it impossible to use by routing the booster vacuum source immediately under it.
I just re-routed the bypass vacuum to one of the throttle body sources and blocked the T on the manifold. Instantly, the rough idle was gone. The valve still seems to operate as it should, closing when you step on the gas. Interestingly, on the dyno, this arrangement knocks down the early (2500-3000) torque peak, the one that everyone says is a TC multiplier artifact and should be ignored. Wonder if it might be better for tip-in, alhtough I've never had that issue and I'm not sure what thsi would do on a MT car.
The bypass valve is being controlled by throttle vacuum now and never see boost. It closes as the vacuum is reduced when the throttle opens. That's the way it was designed to be connected. I am not sure why Andy insisted on maifold pressure. Maybe he noticed the difference in the low RPM torque curves.
Anyway, try moving the source to throttle. The idle will smooth right out.
Anybody have any perspective on this?
Andy insisted the "vacuum" control source for the bypass valve be hooked to the manifold, after the SC. So, he T'd off the source used for the boost gauge. The bypass valve has its own vacuum source port built-in, which samples the pre-SC intake. Andy blocked that off with a bolt and made it impossible to use by routing the booster vacuum source immediately under it.
I just re-routed the bypass vacuum to one of the throttle body sources and blocked the T on the manifold. Instantly, the rough idle was gone. The valve still seems to operate as it should, closing when you step on the gas. Interestingly, on the dyno, this arrangement knocks down the early (2500-3000) torque peak, the one that everyone says is a TC multiplier artifact and should be ignored. Wonder if it might be better for tip-in, alhtough I've never had that issue and I'm not sure what thsi would do on a MT car.
The bypass valve is being controlled by throttle vacuum now and never see boost. It closes as the vacuum is reduced when the throttle opens. That's the way it was designed to be connected. I am not sure why Andy insisted on maifold pressure. Maybe he noticed the difference in the low RPM torque curves.
Anyway, try moving the source to throttle. The idle will smooth right out.
Anybody have any perspective on this?
Last edited by Bill Ball; 04-29-2006 at 03:02 PM.
04-29-2006, 02:10 PM
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04-29-2006, 03:13 PM
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Another dead giveaway that this is fake is the category listing.
Toys & Hobbies > TV, Movie, Character Toys > Thomas the Tank Engine > Wooden > Other
Toys & Hobbies > TV, Movie, Character Toys > Thomas the Tank Engine > Wooden > Other
04-29-2006, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Tony:
Andy insisted the "vacuum" control source for the bypass valve be hooked to the manifold, after the SC. So, he T'd off the source used for the boost gauge. The bypass valve has its own vacuum source port built-in, which samples the pre-SC intake. Andy blocked that off with a bolt and made it impossible to use by routing the booster vacuum source immediately under it.
I just re-routed the bypass vacuum to one of the throttle body sources and blocked the T on the manifold. Instantly, the rough idle was gone. The valve still seems to operate as it should, closing when you step on the gas. Interestingly, on the dyno, this arrangement knocks down the early (2500-3000) torque peak, the one that everyone says is a TC multiplier artifact and should be ignored. Wonder if it might be better for tip-in, alhtough I've never had that issue and I'm not sure what thsi would do on a MT car.
The bypass valve is being controlled by throttle vacuum now and never see boost. It closes as the vacuum is reduced when the throttle opens. That's the way it was designed to be connected. I am not sure why Andy insisted on maifold pressure. Maybe he noticed the difference in the low RPM torque curves.
Anyway, try moving the source to throttle. The idle will smooth right out.
Anybody have any perspective on this?
Andy insisted the "vacuum" control source for the bypass valve be hooked to the manifold, after the SC. So, he T'd off the source used for the boost gauge. The bypass valve has its own vacuum source port built-in, which samples the pre-SC intake. Andy blocked that off with a bolt and made it impossible to use by routing the booster vacuum source immediately under it.
I just re-routed the bypass vacuum to one of the throttle body sources and blocked the T on the manifold. Instantly, the rough idle was gone. The valve still seems to operate as it should, closing when you step on the gas. Interestingly, on the dyno, this arrangement knocks down the early (2500-3000) torque peak, the one that everyone says is a TC multiplier artifact and should be ignored. Wonder if it might be better for tip-in, alhtough I've never had that issue and I'm not sure what thsi would do on a MT car.
The bypass valve is being controlled by throttle vacuum now and never see boost. It closes as the vacuum is reduced when the throttle opens. That's the way it was designed to be connected. I am not sure why Andy insisted on maifold pressure. Maybe he noticed the difference in the low RPM torque curves.
Anyway, try moving the source to throttle. The idle will smooth right out.
Anybody have any perspective on this?
Thanks i will give that a try next week when i get to it.
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I'm sad to say Andy continues to be MIA. If anyone in touch with him, please PLEASE PLEASE let him know I'm looking for him.
Thank you
Thank you