16v vs. 32v Driving Impressions.
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Originally Posted by Jim_H
Here are the factory engine specs off of the 928SP page.
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'83 to '86
http://www.928registry.org/1983-1986...model-info.htm
'87 to '91
http://www.928registry.org/1987-1991...model-info.htm
** Euros aren't included**
http://www.928registry.org/1983-1986...model-info.htm
'87 to '91
http://www.928registry.org/1987-1991...model-info.htm
** Euros aren't included**
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Probably the best advice is find a couple nice examples and drive them.....try to keep the 5 speed to 5 speed comparo to keep things somewhat even....because in reality an auto S4 will perform about the same as a 5 speed Euro S....but I'm sure the Euro S will feel faster since its lighter with less sound deading...etc...
Personally I have driven a strong 78 5 speed...its really fun! And a couple auto S4's....I'm sure in a drag race the S4's will run away and hide from the 78....but the 78 is still very fun to drive.... Does it feel like a 219hp/3400lb car.....no! I really want to drive a 5 speed S4 or GTS....maybe even an S/C 928 for a comparison!
At Devek days last year "Lucky" (founder of Devek..now retired) explained it like this "with the 32 valve engine you still have the great top end with the extra torque down low"
Personally I have driven a strong 78 5 speed...its really fun! And a couple auto S4's....I'm sure in a drag race the S4's will run away and hide from the 78....but the 78 is still very fun to drive.... Does it feel like a 219hp/3400lb car.....no! I really want to drive a 5 speed S4 or GTS....maybe even an S/C 928 for a comparison!
At Devek days last year "Lucky" (founder of Devek..now retired) explained it like this "with the 32 valve engine you still have the great top end with the extra torque down low"
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I think that the 2 footers and the 5spds also need to be put in separate rooms. Totally different cars in the same model and year. Totallt.y. Driving an auto, well, driving an auto. There is a reason people shift when they are on the track (and don't bring up paddle shifters - totally different idea).
Being directly connected to the wheels is very different then having fluid do the conveying.
Being directly connected to the wheels is very different then having fluid do the conveying.
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Originally Posted by FRporscheman
I have an 84 S, in my opinion the worst year 928, because up to 82 or 83 the engines were non-interference design (less complicated),
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and 85 onward they went to 32v and a whole lot more power.
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But don't get me wrong, even the 84, which is a hassle to repair sometimes, ... Even like 78 or 79, with the CIS fuel injection, which is near bullet proof.
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A classic german muscle car.
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If you want more modern styling and power, and don't mind complication, go for a 85 or later model. All years have the same interior.
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Don't settle on an automatic, unless that's what you want. I hate the stupid 928 auto tranny (a mercedes unit). It starts in 2nd gear, breaks easily, and is HEAVY!
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84 928S - Dad's
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Originally Posted by heinrich
I remember Pat Edwards' PREDATOR, with straight pipes front to tail. IMHO, there is no 928 louder than an '85/6 with open pipes. None. Not by a long shot.
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Flying Dog,
In the interior, what did change in ’86? Both my ’85 and the ’86.5 project cars seems to have the same interior, except for the third break light in the hatch. Although my 86.5 has a cloth middle and not leather for the seats.
In the interior, what did change in ’86? Both my ’85 and the ’86.5 project cars seems to have the same interior, except for the third break light in the hatch. Although my 86.5 has a cloth middle and not leather for the seats.
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From: Philly
And then there's my US 83 16v motor that is some kind of freak.
My partner had an 85 US 32v and my 16v CLEARLY pulled harder than that one, and the same is true when i lined it up against another 16v US and a 16v Euro.
If all 16vs ran like mine they'd be a lot more desirable, lol. Sure wish i knew what was done on the inside.
My partner had an 85 US 32v and my 16v CLEARLY pulled harder than that one, and the same is true when i lined it up against another 16v US and a 16v Euro.
If all 16vs ran like mine they'd be a lot more desirable, lol. Sure wish i knew what was done on the inside.
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I hate slushboxes, but if I had to be stuck with one the Mercedes unit is one of the best out there. Some start in first, they can be shifted manually, and they rarely break even in supercharged cars.That explains a lot.
I love my A/T.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by GlenL
Someone else take a look at the 0-62 times. Do those make any sense? Pick a few and compare the power and weight numbers.Sure there are tire, torque curve and tranny differences but the results aren't consistent.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
Flying Dog,
In the interior, what did change in ’86? Both my ’85 and the ’86.5 project cars seems to have the same interior, except for the third break light in the hatch. Although my 86.5 has a cloth middle and not leather for the seats.
In the interior, what did change in ’86? Both my ’85 and the ’86.5 project cars seems to have the same interior, except for the third break light in the hatch. Although my 86.5 has a cloth middle and not leather for the seats.
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Ohh that's right, the seats backs are different than the '83, but the both my door panels look the same as the '83. I think Porsche was extremely inconsistent when it comes to year to year changes.
