928 Vs. Jaguar XKR
01-23-2006, 10:00 PM
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The Jag is very seductive and a great driver. Very romantic if you are going out with the wife. One of my Skip Barber friends who has been known to extend a car from time to time really praises the handling. The steering really has that Jaguar feel like it is all silk and ball bearings. I felt comfortable zipping up switchbacks with no guardrails at 8 10ths. I also like the auto box in manual mode. Once again a well oiled, silky feel. Very seductive.
01-24-2006, 02:37 AM
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Given the choice between the two Fixed Head Coupe's it very close, but throw in the Drop Head option available on the Jag, and I think I'm fading...............
01-24-2006, 11:26 AM
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I've had first hand experience with these engines. See the single row timing chain on both cams? Guess what? The tensioners have a nasty habit of failing at low mileage. Once it fails, the timing chain on the exhaust cam breaks and the valves usually collide with the piston. Most jag dealerships won't even attempt to repair the timing chain and will only install a new $13,000 engine. There is no master link for this chain so you have to tear apart the front of the engine to replace.
If you do buy a V8 Jaguar 1997-2000, make sure it has the third generation of updated tensioners. If it doesn't, either don't buy the car or have it towed to a shop that will install the secondary tensioners because they often fail without warning. While they are in there, you might as well replace the guides too.
Here's a brief write-up on what happens and where you can get parts to replace the defective plastic tensioners. http://www.jagservice.net/jaguar_v8_...tensioners.htm
The Jaguar interior blows away the 928 interior for fit and finish. The ride is very supple but wallows in the corners compared to 928. The Jaguar is much more of a touring car than a true GT. Other than the tensioner issue, the Jaguar is pretty reliable.
If you do buy a V8 Jaguar 1997-2000, make sure it has the third generation of updated tensioners. If it doesn't, either don't buy the car or have it towed to a shop that will install the secondary tensioners because they often fail without warning. While they are in there, you might as well replace the guides too.
Here's a brief write-up on what happens and where you can get parts to replace the defective plastic tensioners. http://www.jagservice.net/jaguar_v8_...tensioners.htm
The Jaguar interior blows away the 928 interior for fit and finish. The ride is very supple but wallows in the corners compared to 928. The Jaguar is much more of a touring car than a true GT. Other than the tensioner issue, the Jaguar is pretty reliable.
01-24-2006, 12:25 PM
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"Once it fails, the timing chain on the exhaust cam breaks and the valves usually collide with the piston."
Atrocious! Who would design an engine that would do that?
Atrocious! Who would design an engine that would do that?
01-25-2006, 11:01 AM
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Your answer is clear, you have a dream?.....Do it!!!
I bow to your wisdom oh sage wind from the north.
ps; The truck can wait...
That would be my choice if it were solely up to me. I don’t really need or want a new truck. Unfortunately she saw one of those news magazine shows showing crash dummies getting crushed, went to the web site and found out my 00 F150 didn’t stack up too well, and has been pinging on me about a safer truck ever since. I’ve been stalling for the past 6 months, told her I’d like to see what GM has rolling out in mid 06 before I decide. They might have some new crash safety features. Like a crash bubble you climb into and zip up and when you hit something it inflates, air bags pop out from the dash, doors, consol, roof liner, and seats. Kind of like that bouncing bubble pak landing gear on the Mars probe.
Seriously tho, I’ve got to give her her props. I’m many years past my era of invincibility. Now caution and safety weigh more heavily in my decisions. I have had more than my fair share of close calls. My first was in 80 in a 71 MG midget. A jacked up 4x4 turned across my path and I slammed head on into his right front wheel doing about 65. Bent in his wheel, totaled my car. He didn’t see me. Of course not, he wasn’t looking down. I was belted in and fortunately my forehead matched the height of the steering wheel, exactly. MG’s in your face steering wheel had aluminum spokes which collapsed quite nicely. Made a great passive head restraint.
A couple of years later I was hit while riding a bicycle across a bridge by a drunk doing 45, or so he claimed. Fortunately I bounced up and over while the car went under. I hit the curb which was 3’ from the guard rail. All I got was a 6 month limp and a bad road rash which I was thankful to have because that bridge was traversing a 150’ deep gorge.
12 years ago I was coming down an off ramp and through an intersection doing about 50 when I was turned into from my right by a tourist making an illegal left turn. He was lost and didn’t see the no left turn sign. He sent me and my 88 Supra through the light switch box and into the embankment behind it. I plowed on through like a sherman tank through a Normandy hedgerow. Strapped in, not a scratch.
More recently my Mom got slammed heading to Biloxi on one of her regular trips to gamble away my inheritance. A minivan in the oncoming lane of the interstate blew a tire, sailed across the median, sideswiped the flat bed tractor trailer in front of my Mom, then ricocheted off the flat bed and into my Mom, head on. She was driving her new Toyota solara. Air bag and belt saved her life. She was hard on the brakes before impact which caused her left ankle to snap off at impact. Luckily it was hanging by a 2” shard of skin and flesh with an intact artery. She now has an impressive collection of metal parts in her ankle. The Dad in the minivan was sleeping in the back on top of all their luggage. He was slung through the side window, hurt bad. What a rude awakening. Also, my brother T-boned a drunk who pulled out in front of him several years ago. Air bag saved his face.
I’m drifting OT here but just to round out the picture of my heightened sense of caution bordering on paranoia I’ll add the sea & air component of my close calls. My dad and I were out fishing when I was a teen, 75 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico in a 17’ boston whaler. Prop shear pin fails, prop spins right off. No food, little water, no radio, storm approaching, and we’re drifting out to sea into it. We thought we were going to end up in Cuba. The next morning at first light my Dad shot a flare across the bow of a large sail boat diverting to port to escape the storm. They had not seen us. Took them 7 hours to tow us in. After that my Dad got a CB radio.
I survived an in flight engine failure in an Army TH-55 helicopter while in flight training. I only had a few hours solo when it happened. Later in life I bought one and flew it for several years. Early on I found a cracked main rotor drive belt pulley bracket (similar to an auto belt tensioner bracket, except it’s tensioning 7 parallel drive belts). I caught it during a preflight inspection which if missed could easily have lead to a catastrophe. Toward the end of my ownership I experienced an engine output drive shaft pulley bearing failure, in flight. I set it down quick enough to avoid a catastrophic main rotor drive train failure. After that I always felt a little nervous about flying a 45 year old chopper so I sold it.
3 owners and 10 years later, in 04, I heard it went down in N. Carolina. According to the FAA investigation the bracket failed which held the tail boom in place mid span, and connects to struts which connect to the lower cabin frame. There was a small bit of pitting corrosion going on there all these years which no one had ever noticed which led to a crack which finally vibrated all the way through. This caused the tail boom to displace enough for the tail rotor drive shaft which runs through the tail boom to rub against the inside of the boom, start scoring, and finally break. (Similar to the 928 torque tube arrangement). They were flying for a small county sheriff’s department hunting for pot plants at the time. The pilot autorotated into the trees. He was seriously injured and his copilot was killed.
Oh, and one more brush with mortality. I joined a sport parachute club when I was in the Army. I had a total malfunction on my 3rd jump. Fortunately I was able to swallow my panic and pull the reserve in time. The opening shock almost pulled my boots off. I had crossed the pack opening bands on an air force issue T-10 thus holding the pack closed after the rip cord was pulled. I was pre-jump inspected by the guy behind me, didn’t catch it. That was it for me, but not for my jump master. He packed me up and threw me out again on the next lift. I stayed with it for another 75 jumps.
My jump master bought it 6 years later at a demo. He had accidentally wrapped his hand deployed pilot chute strap around his harness, no one caught it, but it was visible to a careful eye. Who checks their jump master’s gear too carefully, if at all? When he couldn’t deploy his pilot chute (which pulls out the main chute) he went for his reserve, pulled the rip cord, nothing came out. He bounced in a kindergarten playground, blacktop. Turns out one of his students had re-packed his reserve which must be done annually and left the packing pins in the chute cover (temporary pins to hold the back together until you insert the rip cord pins). He let his student do it to acquire experience toward his jump master rating. This error was not visible on the pre-jump gear inspection but should have been spotted by him at the re-packing inspection, if it was done. He signed off on it anyway. Great guy, had over 5000 jumps, everyone loved and respected him. 2 freak mistakes by an experienced man and poof, gone forever, wife and kids left holding an empty bag.
I’ve seen my share of accidents caused by drunks, mistakes, getting in a hurry, complacency, and mechanical component failures. And that’s not counting my own stupid mistakes. I really feel fortunate to be alive and healthy. So my wife’s pinging on the truck safety issue hits a nerve with me. I think she’d be a little hard to live with if I skipped the truck and went straight for the joy toy, as much as I’d like to.
Sorry to ramble on so. This rennlist is quite a valuable source of information.
Les
I bow to your wisdom oh sage wind from the north.
ps; The truck can wait...
That would be my choice if it were solely up to me. I don’t really need or want a new truck. Unfortunately she saw one of those news magazine shows showing crash dummies getting crushed, went to the web site and found out my 00 F150 didn’t stack up too well, and has been pinging on me about a safer truck ever since. I’ve been stalling for the past 6 months, told her I’d like to see what GM has rolling out in mid 06 before I decide. They might have some new crash safety features. Like a crash bubble you climb into and zip up and when you hit something it inflates, air bags pop out from the dash, doors, consol, roof liner, and seats. Kind of like that bouncing bubble pak landing gear on the Mars probe.
Seriously tho, I’ve got to give her her props. I’m many years past my era of invincibility. Now caution and safety weigh more heavily in my decisions. I have had more than my fair share of close calls. My first was in 80 in a 71 MG midget. A jacked up 4x4 turned across my path and I slammed head on into his right front wheel doing about 65. Bent in his wheel, totaled my car. He didn’t see me. Of course not, he wasn’t looking down. I was belted in and fortunately my forehead matched the height of the steering wheel, exactly. MG’s in your face steering wheel had aluminum spokes which collapsed quite nicely. Made a great passive head restraint.
A couple of years later I was hit while riding a bicycle across a bridge by a drunk doing 45, or so he claimed. Fortunately I bounced up and over while the car went under. I hit the curb which was 3’ from the guard rail. All I got was a 6 month limp and a bad road rash which I was thankful to have because that bridge was traversing a 150’ deep gorge.
12 years ago I was coming down an off ramp and through an intersection doing about 50 when I was turned into from my right by a tourist making an illegal left turn. He was lost and didn’t see the no left turn sign. He sent me and my 88 Supra through the light switch box and into the embankment behind it. I plowed on through like a sherman tank through a Normandy hedgerow. Strapped in, not a scratch.
More recently my Mom got slammed heading to Biloxi on one of her regular trips to gamble away my inheritance. A minivan in the oncoming lane of the interstate blew a tire, sailed across the median, sideswiped the flat bed tractor trailer in front of my Mom, then ricocheted off the flat bed and into my Mom, head on. She was driving her new Toyota solara. Air bag and belt saved her life. She was hard on the brakes before impact which caused her left ankle to snap off at impact. Luckily it was hanging by a 2” shard of skin and flesh with an intact artery. She now has an impressive collection of metal parts in her ankle. The Dad in the minivan was sleeping in the back on top of all their luggage. He was slung through the side window, hurt bad. What a rude awakening. Also, my brother T-boned a drunk who pulled out in front of him several years ago. Air bag saved his face.
I’m drifting OT here but just to round out the picture of my heightened sense of caution bordering on paranoia I’ll add the sea & air component of my close calls. My dad and I were out fishing when I was a teen, 75 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico in a 17’ boston whaler. Prop shear pin fails, prop spins right off. No food, little water, no radio, storm approaching, and we’re drifting out to sea into it. We thought we were going to end up in Cuba. The next morning at first light my Dad shot a flare across the bow of a large sail boat diverting to port to escape the storm. They had not seen us. Took them 7 hours to tow us in. After that my Dad got a CB radio.
I survived an in flight engine failure in an Army TH-55 helicopter while in flight training. I only had a few hours solo when it happened. Later in life I bought one and flew it for several years. Early on I found a cracked main rotor drive belt pulley bracket (similar to an auto belt tensioner bracket, except it’s tensioning 7 parallel drive belts). I caught it during a preflight inspection which if missed could easily have lead to a catastrophe. Toward the end of my ownership I experienced an engine output drive shaft pulley bearing failure, in flight. I set it down quick enough to avoid a catastrophic main rotor drive train failure. After that I always felt a little nervous about flying a 45 year old chopper so I sold it.
3 owners and 10 years later, in 04, I heard it went down in N. Carolina. According to the FAA investigation the bracket failed which held the tail boom in place mid span, and connects to struts which connect to the lower cabin frame. There was a small bit of pitting corrosion going on there all these years which no one had ever noticed which led to a crack which finally vibrated all the way through. This caused the tail boom to displace enough for the tail rotor drive shaft which runs through the tail boom to rub against the inside of the boom, start scoring, and finally break. (Similar to the 928 torque tube arrangement). They were flying for a small county sheriff’s department hunting for pot plants at the time. The pilot autorotated into the trees. He was seriously injured and his copilot was killed.
Oh, and one more brush with mortality. I joined a sport parachute club when I was in the Army. I had a total malfunction on my 3rd jump. Fortunately I was able to swallow my panic and pull the reserve in time. The opening shock almost pulled my boots off. I had crossed the pack opening bands on an air force issue T-10 thus holding the pack closed after the rip cord was pulled. I was pre-jump inspected by the guy behind me, didn’t catch it. That was it for me, but not for my jump master. He packed me up and threw me out again on the next lift. I stayed with it for another 75 jumps.
My jump master bought it 6 years later at a demo. He had accidentally wrapped his hand deployed pilot chute strap around his harness, no one caught it, but it was visible to a careful eye. Who checks their jump master’s gear too carefully, if at all? When he couldn’t deploy his pilot chute (which pulls out the main chute) he went for his reserve, pulled the rip cord, nothing came out. He bounced in a kindergarten playground, blacktop. Turns out one of his students had re-packed his reserve which must be done annually and left the packing pins in the chute cover (temporary pins to hold the back together until you insert the rip cord pins). He let his student do it to acquire experience toward his jump master rating. This error was not visible on the pre-jump gear inspection but should have been spotted by him at the re-packing inspection, if it was done. He signed off on it anyway. Great guy, had over 5000 jumps, everyone loved and respected him. 2 freak mistakes by an experienced man and poof, gone forever, wife and kids left holding an empty bag.
I’ve seen my share of accidents caused by drunks, mistakes, getting in a hurry, complacency, and mechanical component failures. And that’s not counting my own stupid mistakes. I really feel fortunate to be alive and healthy. So my wife’s pinging on the truck safety issue hits a nerve with me. I think she’d be a little hard to live with if I skipped the truck and went straight for the joy toy, as much as I’d like to.
Sorry to ramble on so. This rennlist is quite a valuable source of information.
Les
01-25-2006, 12:31 PM
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Well, what can I say.
You don't need a car, you need a double armoured assault vehicule, triple plated glass with all the trimings and chrome bumpers.
You don't need a car, you need a double armoured assault vehicule, triple plated glass with all the trimings and chrome bumpers.
01-25-2006, 02:30 PM
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Does this affect the XJR and S-type R?
Pathetic... I certainly wouldn't want one of THOSE engines
01-25-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Les White
My dad and I were out fishing when I was a teen, 75 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico in a 17’ boston whaler. Prop shear pin fails, prop spins right off. No food, little water, no radio, storm approaching, and we’re drifting out to sea into it. We thought we were going to end up in Cuba. The next morning at first light my Dad shot a flare across the bow of a large sail boat diverting to port to escape the storm. They had not seen us. Took them 7 hours to tow us in. After that my Dad got a CB radio.
This is where you got the luckiest. The others were being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but being prepared, so in some ways making your own luck. This one involved (your dad) actively making several bad decisions*, and then compounding bad luck on top of that. Still managed to make it out. Wow, somebody is really watching over your shoulder . I'd guess that you took this one to heart though, as you clearly made some wise safety-related decisions later in life.
*No sailor would ever make those mistakes.
01-25-2006, 05:15 PM
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...This one involved (your dad) actively making several bad decisions...No sailor would ever make those mistakes.
Sad but true Fabric. The sad part is that he was a carreer Navy man, aviator type, but yes, he should have known way better. We did go out with another boat for safety purposes but we stopped on the way in to troll a weed line and they kept on going in. That's when the prop sheared off. His budy, also a Naval aviator, never thought to check up on us until my Mom called him that night asking about us. By then it was too late and the Coast Guard wasn't going to launch a search into the storm.
We got very lucky. It was dark, foggy, and rough the next morning. My Dad and I were lying in the bottom of the boat, sharing a dirty bath towell for cover, shivering our asses off. I was sleeping. Suddenly he just got up and saw that sail boat cruising by. They didn't see the first flare so he shot one right accross their bow.
They transferred us to the Coast Guard at the mouth of the bay. The Coasties weren't too impressed with my Dad's big adventure either. They towed us the rest of the way in then gave him a ticket for not having life preservers on board.
Les
Sad but true Fabric. The sad part is that he was a carreer Navy man, aviator type, but yes, he should have known way better. We did go out with another boat for safety purposes but we stopped on the way in to troll a weed line and they kept on going in. That's when the prop sheared off. His budy, also a Naval aviator, never thought to check up on us until my Mom called him that night asking about us. By then it was too late and the Coast Guard wasn't going to launch a search into the storm.
We got very lucky. It was dark, foggy, and rough the next morning. My Dad and I were lying in the bottom of the boat, sharing a dirty bath towell for cover, shivering our asses off. I was sleeping. Suddenly he just got up and saw that sail boat cruising by. They didn't see the first flare so he shot one right accross their bow.
They transferred us to the Coast Guard at the mouth of the bay. The Coasties weren't too impressed with my Dad's big adventure either. They towed us the rest of the way in then gave him a ticket for not having life preservers on board.
Les