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From: Aztlan, aka SoCal
Interesting, this is a topic that I discussed with several persons at Sharktoberfest '05. There were some outstanding examples of GTS cars, and although I would love to own one, I have enough trouble maintaining my 91 S-4. I love the big *** on the GTS, gets me excited 
It just looks so aggressive from the rear. I'd love to have one, but I know that I can not afford one 
Guess I'm gonna settle for my S-4 
pending my winning a BIG lotto game 
It just looks so aggressive from the rear. I'd love to have one, but I know that I can not afford one Guess I'm gonna settle for my S-4 pending my winning a BIG lotto game
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GTS oiling issues
The problem with the GTS is it's rarity. You feel you can't do any upgrades to it without ruining the base. Similar problem with my 89GT..however, I still upgrade stuff...I just keep the original parts..so I can put it back to stock.
I would love to have a 5sp GTS....probably will at some point..but it will be the garage queen occassional driver car..not the near daily driver test bed car my GT is......and I love to play with the GT...
H....I'm thinking you are referring to the oil consumption issue on some GTS's..and not the inherant oiling issues (2/6 bearing starvation under high left turn g's) .
What I'm wondering..has anyone who has the GTS's with the oil consumption issues actually had a failure of the engine related to oil consumption?..or was the failure related to low oil level (not watched closely) enough?..
Later,
Tom
I would love to have a 5sp GTS....probably will at some point..but it will be the garage queen occassional driver car..not the near daily driver test bed car my GT is......and I love to play with the GT...
H....I'm thinking you are referring to the oil consumption issue on some GTS's..and not the inherant oiling issues (2/6 bearing starvation under high left turn g's) .
What I'm wondering..has anyone who has the GTS's with the oil consumption issues actually had a failure of the engine related to oil consumption?..or was the failure related to low oil level (not watched closely) enough?..
Later,
Tom
Originally Posted by heinrich
Different things for different people .... to me, a GTS is an S4 with some gorgeous rear fenders. Aside from price, the thing that has steered me away from GTS most, is the oiling problem.
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There is ultimately only one REASON why GTS cars are RARE...only 422 people in the United States could convince them self that the car was WORTH buying ... You can dance around that FACT all you wish but that is the harsh reality. Porsche could and would have made far, far more actually delayed introduction to the USA market for a year (no 92 models) so they could move the remaining 1991 cars. It was not Porsche who made them rare but the consumer/ the market which dictated the end of the 928. This has NOTHING to do with how good or how bad a car it might be simply the perception of the new car buyers of the time. I personally very much like the look of the GTS appreciate some of the refinements and love the torque ! Is that worth 2 or 3 times what an S-4 is worth ? obviously to some it is. The 89S-4 auto with 14,000 miles we had here at Sharktoberfest is literally like new could be owned for $25,000 ,is that a good deal ? Probably. Is it a lot for an 89? certainly . Point is the first 14,000 miles for the original owner cost at least $35,000. GTS resale prices may seem high until you look at what the original owner paid for that car!
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Originally Posted by Tom. M
H....I'm thinking you are referring to the oil consumption issue on some GTS's..and not the inherant oiling issues (2/6 bearing starvation under high left turn g's) .
What I'm wondering..has anyone who has the GTS's with the oil consumption issues actually had a failure of the engine related to oil consumption?..or was the failure related to low oil level (not watched closely) enough?..
Later,
Tom
What I'm wondering..has anyone who has the GTS's with the oil consumption issues actually had a failure of the engine related to oil consumption?..or was the failure related to low oil level (not watched closely) enough?..
Later,
Tom
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International
There is ultimately only one REASON why GTS cars are RARE...only 422 people in the United States could convince them self that the car was WORTH buying ... You can dance around that FACT all you wish but that is the harsh reality. Porsche could and would have made far, far more actually delayed introduction to the USA market for a year (no 92 models) so they could move the remaining 1991 cars. It was not Porsche who made them rare but the consumer/ the market which dictated the end of the 928. This has NOTHING to do with how good or how bad a car it might be simply the perception of the new car buyers of the time. I personally very much like the look of the GTS appreciate some of the refinements and love the torque ! Is that worth 2 or 3 times what an S-4 is worth ? obviously to some it is. The 89S-4 auto with 14,000 miles we had here at Sharktoberfest is literally like new could be owned for $25,000 ,is that a good deal ? Probably. Is it a lot for an 89? certainly . Point is the first 14,000 miles for the original owner cost at least $35,000. GTS resale prices may seem high until you look at what the original owner paid for that car!
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Chuck,
I'm curious if you redline it much when you do drive it?
I'm curious if you redline it much when you do drive it?
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Tom, as you said, it seems to be a random issue when it comes to oil consumption. I have not noticed an oil consumption issue on any of the three GTSs I have owned. I just went out to the garage and checked the oil level in the black GTS because I put ~350 miles since the last oil change and the oil level hasn't moved at all. I should probably say that rarely do I put many miles on the blue GTS between oil changes to notice any oil consumption. However, I have driven it to SITM racking up 500+ miles with no oil consumption whatsoever. I do always carry a couple quarts of oil with me where ever I go with the 928s.
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Originally Posted by Jim_H
Chuck,
I'm curious if you redline it much when you do drive it?
I'm curious if you redline it much when you do drive it?
Do redline alot when you drive?
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Not much, I should have said do you wind it up much, just curious if it has anything to do with oil usage. No offense meant.
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??? The trip in the black GTS was all interstate driving so no, I didn't redline it at all. The trip to SITM in the blue GTS was a bit of a different story, probably bumped the redline a few times on some of the twisties.
Do redline alot when you drive?
Do redline alot when you drive?
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There was a local GTS that failed specifically due to the oiling issue. The cylinders filled with oil, and the car hydrolocked. The engine has been in rebuild for some 2 years now.
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Originally Posted by Jim_H
Not much, I should have said do you wind it up much, just curious if it has anything to do with oil usage. No offense meant.
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Originally Posted by heinrich
There was a local GTS that failed specifically due to the oiling issue. The cylinders filled with oil, and the car hydrolocked. The engine has been in rebuild for some 2 years now.
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S4 versus GTS? Very different drive - extra torque, better kickdown (marginal) and handles better too (my S4 has no rear PSD and is a pain on wet tight roads - too quick to spin a wheel).
More refined too with much better sound proofing.
As for oil - mine (which does 250 + motorway miles a week) uses less than my S4 at around a litre every 3000 - 4000 miles.
As for price - at £19,000 (circa $30,000) for a 95 2 owner car with 36,000 miles it was £13,000 more than my 87 S4 with 93,000 miles but is like a new car, inside and out. While the S4 was far from new. There is no way I could bring my S4 up to the same feel and spec for £13 K.
Money well spent in my opinion - once you have owned a GTS you will never go back. And still cheap by UK standards.
Just wish petrol wasn't so expensive!
More refined too with much better sound proofing.
As for oil - mine (which does 250 + motorway miles a week) uses less than my S4 at around a litre every 3000 - 4000 miles.
As for price - at £19,000 (circa $30,000) for a 95 2 owner car with 36,000 miles it was £13,000 more than my 87 S4 with 93,000 miles but is like a new car, inside and out. While the S4 was far from new. There is no way I could bring my S4 up to the same feel and spec for £13 K.
Money well spent in my opinion - once you have owned a GTS you will never go back. And still cheap by UK standards.
Just wish petrol wasn't so expensive!
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My 94 GTS uses some oil. About a quart every 800-1000 miles. I always check the oil each week and add one-half quart as needed. I'll sometimes accelerate hard in first and second, to 5k or even 6k rpm. I like the BWAAAAAA. I've autocrossed and done track days in the car a couple of times and just make sure I check the oil between runs. It got a great deal on mine at $24.5 with 105k miles. It now has 132k miles.
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My oil consumption averages about a quart every 3-4K mi. Since that's about how much I drive it in a year, I generally add about a quart (+,-) a year.
I don't abuse mine, but I drive it in a, shall we say, spirited manner? Therefore, it does not exceed, but approaches, redline on a fairly regular basis. Otherwise I guess I'd drive an Oldsmobuick.
I don't abuse mine, but I drive it in a, shall we say, spirited manner? Therefore, it does not exceed, but approaches, redline on a fairly regular basis. Otherwise I guess I'd drive an Oldsmobuick.