Would You Sell Your Shark?
#46
Bought my 85 euro for $6,000 a year and a half ago with 57,000 miles on it.
Now with 59,800mi, new Yoko es100's, a new MAF & Muffler, leaky injectors and a pinhole in the radiator...I'd sell it for the same $6,000.
Now with 59,800mi, new Yoko es100's, a new MAF & Muffler, leaky injectors and a pinhole in the radiator...I'd sell it for the same $6,000.
#47
OK Keith, you want a number? How about $20K. I have $15K in parts and initial purchase -- all receipts -- plus a LOT of sweat and elbow grease. I figure $5K there. I know better than to think that I will get that much out of it... it's far easier to just say it's not for sale.
BTW, I just had another smog check done. Last one was 12K miles ago. Both checks were done immediately after an oil change. Why mention the oil change, you may ask -- because that's the ONLY thing I have touched on the motor itself in that time period. I mean this quite literally. I have not touched timing, plugs, air filter, etc. And guess what? Except for slightly higher NOX, ALL measured exhaust components were significantly lower than the prior smog check. I was impressed with this car already; now I'm even more impressed.
BTW, I just had another smog check done. Last one was 12K miles ago. Both checks were done immediately after an oil change. Why mention the oil change, you may ask -- because that's the ONLY thing I have touched on the motor itself in that time period. I mean this quite literally. I have not touched timing, plugs, air filter, etc. And guess what? Except for slightly higher NOX, ALL measured exhaust components were significantly lower than the prior smog check. I was impressed with this car already; now I'm even more impressed.
#48
Sold once-- big mistake
I sold my moss green 1981 five speed, well, actually traded it at a ridiculously low trade in value for an '01 Boxster. I like the Boxster but I loved the 928. I thought I wanted the Boxster but it does not evoke the same emotion.
So . . . as has already been posted in another thread, I bought another 928. This time an S4. Like all newlyweds, my new S4 and I are not thinking of parting. But today a friend pointed out the pod cracks I had not even noticed and I realized that it needs brakes and probably a rear wheel bearing.
Despite these new wrinkles, perhaps even because of them, I love her even more. I got such satisfaction out of working on my old '28.
You don't know what you've got until it's gone. I will not sell this one even if I become frustrated. My better half has vowed not to let it happen-- because I've been such a nag in the year or so since I went 928-less. If I get financially strapped, and I probably will, the Boxster and the BMW will go before the shark. Even in red with black interior and an automatic, it is far rarer than anything else I've driven or seen.
So . . . as has already been posted in another thread, I bought another 928. This time an S4. Like all newlyweds, my new S4 and I are not thinking of parting. But today a friend pointed out the pod cracks I had not even noticed and I realized that it needs brakes and probably a rear wheel bearing.
Despite these new wrinkles, perhaps even because of them, I love her even more. I got such satisfaction out of working on my old '28.
You don't know what you've got until it's gone. I will not sell this one even if I become frustrated. My better half has vowed not to let it happen-- because I've been such a nag in the year or so since I went 928-less. If I get financially strapped, and I probably will, the Boxster and the BMW will go before the shark. Even in red with black interior and an automatic, it is far rarer than anything else I've driven or seen.
#49
Poor old BC(i'm serious), a great guy who always answered a PM, should have his experience posted as a sticky for newbies who want to know what not to do. You must service your own 928, IMO, in order to have a successful, enjoyable ownership experience. How in hell anyone could spend 60K on a shark is beyond me. Everything of consequence has been done to mine including a recent engine out adventure and i have not spent near a tenth of that. Everything functions at least as good as new.
As I said in a recent thread about todays competition, nothing short of a 360 can compare to my driving experience. My 85 euro looks better than most showroom cars, PO's had garages. To reproduce the experience in a new car would cost 100K. Too bad i didn't see freezzz's offer a few years ago. Ludicrous! (see keiths post as to why our prices suck, you would never, EVER, see such comments on fchat or elsewhere)
In 1985 dollars Mr freezzz is offering 2.3K for a 50K engineering marvel. Since these engines are reputed to last 300K miles and you have 240K left what has so degenerated that that shark is so valueless. I mean i have not seen rust on a 928 that had at least minimal care.
Part of the problem may be that not enough actually get out and use their car as it was intended - long pleasureable drives and not as a congested city errand mobile.
As I said in a recent thread about todays competition, nothing short of a 360 can compare to my driving experience. My 85 euro looks better than most showroom cars, PO's had garages. To reproduce the experience in a new car would cost 100K. Too bad i didn't see freezzz's offer a few years ago. Ludicrous! (see keiths post as to why our prices suck, you would never, EVER, see such comments on fchat or elsewhere)
In 1985 dollars Mr freezzz is offering 2.3K for a 50K engineering marvel. Since these engines are reputed to last 300K miles and you have 240K left what has so degenerated that that shark is so valueless. I mean i have not seen rust on a 928 that had at least minimal care.
Part of the problem may be that not enough actually get out and use their car as it was intended - long pleasureable drives and not as a congested city errand mobile.
#50
I agree...
Any newbie who is not planning on doing their own work,
should be steered clear of the 928. Unless they are planning
on buying a really nice 90's era 928.
I am just in the kind of job where I have more money than time.
I'm often working 6-7 days a week, many times 12-14 hours a day.
So even though I had the money for the repairs, it just really became
a hassle after 9 years of dealing with that car. Even after all that money
into it, it would still have constant problems. With my limited time,
taking the car in and out of the shop was just really annoying.
A new car was a lot better option for now.
I considered keeping the 928, and some of my other vehicles,
but decided to consolidate, so I do not have to deal with payments.
The new ride is a lot like a 928, except in the handling department.
Very fast, very comfortable, and looks pretty cool...
I would not plan on it doing nearly as well as a 928 20 years from now however...
Despite the Daimler-Chrysler influence, I doubt it will last anywhere near as long...
Any newbie who is not planning on doing their own work,
should be steered clear of the 928. Unless they are planning
on buying a really nice 90's era 928.
I am just in the kind of job where I have more money than time.
I'm often working 6-7 days a week, many times 12-14 hours a day.
So even though I had the money for the repairs, it just really became
a hassle after 9 years of dealing with that car. Even after all that money
into it, it would still have constant problems. With my limited time,
taking the car in and out of the shop was just really annoying.
A new car was a lot better option for now.
I considered keeping the 928, and some of my other vehicles,
but decided to consolidate, so I do not have to deal with payments.
The new ride is a lot like a 928, except in the handling department.
Very fast, very comfortable, and looks pretty cool...
I would not plan on it doing nearly as well as a 928 20 years from now however...
Despite the Daimler-Chrysler influence, I doubt it will last anywhere near as long...
#52
Let me begin by saying that I've always wanted a 928 since the first time I saw one. But I've found that at this point in my life it isn't meant to be. So that is why I've opted to sell mine and wait a while till we (wife and I) can buy another with no problems, well maintained, and somewhat worry free. sometimes you have to sacrifice in order to make progress, I have neither the time or funds to chase this dream at the moment. I'll get another p-car but something a little more common and easier (financially) to repair. So, in conclusion if anyone wants an 81' "project" feel free to steal it away from me so that I can have some room in my garage for a new toy.
#53
Sure I'd sell my car!
-I'm offered $10k for my '85 S2. Sorry, thanx.
-I'm offered $15k for my '85 S2. Sorry, thanx.
-I'm offered $20k for my '85 S2........
heh heh! That's twice what it is worth! Yeah, I'd probably abandon "Vampira" for that much coin. I really want a GTS- a silver '95 5 speed to be exact. They can deal with the paint chips on the front, the problems with the sunroof/cruise control/central locking, and the lack of catalytic converters!
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-I'm offered $10k for my '85 S2. Sorry, thanx.
-I'm offered $15k for my '85 S2. Sorry, thanx.
-I'm offered $20k for my '85 S2........
heh heh! That's twice what it is worth! Yeah, I'd probably abandon "Vampira" for that much coin. I really want a GTS- a silver '95 5 speed to be exact. They can deal with the paint chips on the front, the problems with the sunroof/cruise control/central locking, and the lack of catalytic converters!
N!
#54
(see keiths post as to why our prices suck, you would never, EVER, see such comments on fchat or elsewhere)
#55
Originally Posted by Normy
Sure I'd sell my car!
-I'm offered $20k for my '85 S2........
heh heh! That's twice what it is worth!
N!
-I'm offered $20k for my '85 S2........
heh heh! That's twice what it is worth!
N!
I have some f-car friends and they scoff at offers of less than 35K for 308's/328's. A nice car but one prone to rust, only 60% the power i have, not to mention the cramped interior and offset pedals. The 308 was the 911 competitor not the flagships competitor. Repeat after jesse jackson "I am somebody" etc. The difference being the f-car guys just think a little more of themselves and their rides.
I'm not getting on anyones case in particular just pointing out a valid observation that i have seen in posts and in person. Thats why we see posts where guys here report that they gave some other owner of another mark a ride and that person is almost shocked at the 928 experience.
#57
Originally Posted by tv
There's the attitude(the bad one) Normy. I know this is an academic argument at this point but "worth" is a funny term. If you wouldn't sell it for less than 40K then its worth 40K.
I have some f-car friends and they scoff at offers of less than 35K for 308's/328's. A nice car but one prone to rust, only 60% the power i have, not to mention the cramped interior and offset pedals. The 308 was the 911 competitor not the flagships competitor. Repeat after jesse jackson "I am somebody" etc. The difference being the f-car guys just think a little more of themselves and their rides.
I'm not getting on anyones case in particular just pointing out a valid observation that i have seen in posts and in person. Thats why we see posts where guys here report that they gave some other owner of another mark a ride and that person is almost shocked at the 928 experience.
I have some f-car friends and they scoff at offers of less than 35K for 308's/328's. A nice car but one prone to rust, only 60% the power i have, not to mention the cramped interior and offset pedals. The 308 was the 911 competitor not the flagships competitor. Repeat after jesse jackson "I am somebody" etc. The difference being the f-car guys just think a little more of themselves and their rides.
I'm not getting on anyones case in particular just pointing out a valid observation that i have seen in posts and in person. Thats why we see posts where guys here report that they gave some other owner of another mark a ride and that person is almost shocked at the 928 experience.
Did the original inhabitants of Key West have to deal with these thoughts\motions.....
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#59
interesting question...
#34.. not in your life, UNLESS I found one with a lower vin# and I didn't have enough space to keep it
S4... have already been offered more than I paid for it (including less than 24 hours after I bought it).. would only sell it if I found another rare combo I liked better .. AND I didn't have enough space to keep it
the ob I just have WAY too much invested in time/money/blood/sweat to sell it for what the market would bring in return
#34.. not in your life, UNLESS I found one with a lower vin# and I didn't have enough space to keep it
S4... have already been offered more than I paid for it (including less than 24 hours after I bought it).. would only sell it if I found another rare combo I liked better .. AND I didn't have enough space to keep it
the ob I just have WAY too much invested in time/money/blood/sweat to sell it for what the market would bring in return
#60
Three Wheelin'
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From: Gatineau/Ottawa Canada 84 928S triple black
We all know that the 928 is worth more "engenering" wise than the street going prices, I know mine is worth way more than what I payed for. It is remenisent of the Jag E type, they practictly had to give them away at the end of production and then the 90s arrived and Kaboom, Catching, $$$. Now an E type bucket is nothing less than 10 grand. Same thing hapened with the Healy. These car are no where near the quality of the 928. Granted, the production spand of the 928 is long and that is what holding the prices down for the older models. On the other hand, if the 928 had replaced the 911, they (928) would have been where they should be and thus to expensive for me to buy. This is what I predict : In 10-15 years, a very good 928 will/should sell for at least the price it was sold when produced and more. I hope I'm still alive to see that happen.
Here is what the PO of my car said when I said to him "You know you are selling it at a low price!? : "I have to sell it to someone who wants to buy it" or something that means the same thing.
Here is what the PO of my car said when I said to him "You know you are selling it at a low price!? : "I have to sell it to someone who wants to buy it" or something that means the same thing.