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Old 08-20-2005, 09:10 PM
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Fother Mucker! Dat some serious ****!
Old 08-20-2005, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Olson
Fother Mucker! Dat some serious ****!
True....bet onehelluva lot better than a blown engine bearing.

Dude! I can fix it! I got a totally bodacious set of tools!

Old 08-20-2005, 10:11 PM
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Default I would not think that the car would have survived that...

wow .. you are lucky...

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Old 08-20-2005, 10:50 PM
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I am worried when I see sh-t like that. What the hell happened? Turn in your tools and forget about working on that car yourself. I want the headgaskets back!!!!

Just kidding. I look forward to hearing what failed. P.S. use loctite on the oil pump nut. Could have you left the key way out during reassembly?

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Old 08-20-2005, 10:55 PM
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Schwein gehabt!

Dude, you had soooooooooo much luck. That is like playing and winning the lottery! Keep us updated!
Old 08-20-2005, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Dave
Look closely...the oil pump gear is...skewed a bit. I think we found the guilty party, complete with some metal shavings.
Dat be it. OMFG.

Unless I'm wrong, this means the pump itself failed (or the gear came off) and the engine itself isn't F.U.B.A.R.
If I recall correctly, your 'troubles' of last year were due to the (corroded) water pump-mounted pivot bolt getting increasingly bent as you compensated for belt looseness by - several times - tightening the belt.

To us and the other desk-chair diagnosticians here: could a too-tight belt result in some bizarre wear of the oil pump's shaft?

No matter what - Good luck BD.
Old 08-20-2005, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
Dat be it. OMFG.



If I recall correctly, your 'troubles' of last year were due to the (corroded) water pump-mounted pivot bolt getting increasingly bent as you compensated for belt looseness by - several times - tightening the belt.

To us and the other desk-chair diagnosticians here: could a too-tight belt result in some bizarre wear of the oil pump's shaft?

No matter what - Good luck BD.
I dunno. It's possible I suppose. For the time being, I'm assuming the pump seized and the belt wrecked the pump instead of the other way around. Either that, or the gear worked it's way loose or just snapped off.

I'm fully aware that the belt SHOULD have slipped given the slack caused by the gear being the way it is. I got lucky.
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Originally Posted by Big Dave
I'm fully aware that the belt SHOULD have slipped given the slack caused by the gear being the way it is. I got lucky.
Yeah. But, you're gonna want to check the snot out of the cam timing before you button up. The car will run with the timing several teeth off. (And, as I have discovered (on someone elses car), the 85-86 32v will run (badly) with 12 missing belt teeth...)
Old 08-20-2005, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
Yeah. But, you're gonna want to check the snot out of the cam timing before you button up. The car will run with the timing several teeth off. (And, as I have discovered (on someone elses car), the 85-86 32v will run (badly) with 12 missing belt teeth...)
I'll check the belt very very closely, but as I've already mentioned, the cams line up perfectly with the crank at 0 TDC.
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Big Dave:

Could be it just came loose and the shavings are from the gear grinding on the shaft and the other things around the gear area.

Be careful, since you are at TDC that things don't go SPRONG when you remove the center cover, the belt flies off and the cams spin around. Best would be to try to "fix" the cams so they cannot move or somehow get the pulley to 45 degrees BTDC.

Anyway, it looks pretty good that you are not in too much trouble. I calling off the human sacrifice for now. The simple offerings I made earlier seem to have quieted the TB Gods.
Old 08-20-2005, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Could be it just came loose and the shavings are from the gear grinding on the shaft and the other things around the gear area.

Be careful, since you are at TDC that things don't go SPRONG when you remove the center cover, the belt flies off and the cams spin around. Best would be to try to "fix" the cams so they cannot move or somehow get the pulley to 45 degrees BTDC.

Anyway, it looks pretty good that you are not in too much trouble. I calling off the human sacrifice for now.
Yeah, I have a gut feeling you're right that it came off and started shaving itself against the shaft. It would be really suprising if the shaft itself snapped.

I'm pretty relaxed about the whole thing. I managed to pull the front end of the engine off (fan, caps, covers, belts, etc) in about an hour, working at a leisurely pace. It's funny how much quicker it goes when you're familiar (very familiar) with everything. I didn't even need to drain the coolant or pull the hoses.
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Dave
I'll check the belt very very closely, but as I've already mentioned, the cams line up perfectly with the crank at 0 TDC.
Oops. That didn't stick to my brain. Good deal then!
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Wow... hopefully that's just an issue with the sprocket coming off the pump. If the shaft is skewed then you're not going to enjoy going after all the shavings in the oil galleys. Hoping for the best....
Old 08-21-2005, 10:34 AM
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Dave,
Sorry to hear bud. I kept an eye out for the 928's when i was on woodward. I did see one, but it was by its lonesome. A pinkish colored S4, well it at least had the S4 spolier on it.

Good luck.


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