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Originally Posted by fst951
As much as I love the 928 you must be smoking something to think that any iterations of the 928 ever looked any better than the simple aggressive stance of the 1994 3.6Turbo with or without the S package. I love the 928, I really do, but it never looked better than the 3.6. Handle better, yes the 928 does.
Soooooo, not everyone would agree with your opinion.
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Originally Posted by cobalt
Very nice tv. Is that your quatrovalve in the back ground? So a number of those this weekend at West Point.
belongs to a friend. Very well kept example, but not half the car the 928 is. My shark now has 2 large 3" diameter exhaust tubes sticking out connected to my true dual all stainless 2.5 race cat exhaust. It now sounds better than any car i have ever heard and added power to my already potent EURO.
It is also the one of the cleanest running cars on the road having just passed a roller exhaust test with minimal readings including .7 out of 76 on NOX. Thanks to 2 928 specialists RRFPR's.
BTW gretch its love not infatuation.
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Originally Posted by tv
No Cobalt,
belongs to a friend. Very well kept example, but not half the car the 928 is. My shark now has 2 large 3" diameter exhaust tubes sticking out connected to my true dual all stainless 2.5 race cat exhaust. It now sounds better than any car i have ever heard and added power to my already potent EURO.
It is also the one of the cleanest running cars on the road having just passed a roller exhaust test with minimal readings including .7 out of 76 on NOX. Thanks to 2 928 specialists RRFPR's.
BTW gretch its love not infatuation.
belongs to a friend. Very well kept example, but not half the car the 928 is. My shark now has 2 large 3" diameter exhaust tubes sticking out connected to my true dual all stainless 2.5 race cat exhaust. It now sounds better than any car i have ever heard and added power to my already potent EURO.
It is also the one of the cleanest running cars on the road having just passed a roller exhaust test with minimal readings including .7 out of 76 on NOX. Thanks to 2 928 specialists RRFPR's.
BTW gretch its love not infatuation.
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Originally Posted by tv
No Cobalt,
belongs to a friend. Very well kept example, but not half the car the 928 is. My shark now has 2 large 3" diameter exhaust tubes sticking out connected to my true dual all stainless 2.5 race cat exhaust. It now sounds better than any car i have ever heard and added power to my already potent EURO.
It is also the one of the cleanest running cars on the road having just passed a roller exhaust test with minimal readings including .7 out of 76 on NOX. Thanks to 2 928 specialists RRFPR's.
BTW gretch its love not infatuation.
belongs to a friend. Very well kept example, but not half the car the 928 is. My shark now has 2 large 3" diameter exhaust tubes sticking out connected to my true dual all stainless 2.5 race cat exhaust. It now sounds better than any car i have ever heard and added power to my already potent EURO.
It is also the one of the cleanest running cars on the road having just passed a roller exhaust test with minimal readings including .7 out of 76 on NOX. Thanks to 2 928 specialists RRFPR's.
BTW gretch its love not infatuation.
I have been waiting for my RMB for several months and am begining to get annoyed. I heard a Gt this weekend with one and man you have to appreciate the sound of an unmuffled V8.
I was rather surprised at how low the NOX on my GTS was, in all everything came in well below the maximum requirements. Although the turbo does very well also the CO can be a bit higher. But both amazingly clean running cars.
The Ferrari was a great car in its time although it has lost so much in the translation over the years. For the money for a good 328 GTS I would rather have a Dino myself.
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Sorry to get off topic but you can't tell me that everyone won't appreciate this car. I wouldn't mind one of these next as an addition never a replacement.
It just goes to show you how subjective all this is. Gretch wouldn't consider a turbo 3.6 in his top 50 cars and I wouldn't consider any 996 other than the GT2 or GT3 in my top 50 list. But I still would put the turbo 3.6 above either the GT2 or GT3.
Its all cool. To each his own.
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The love that a$$ look...
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Cobalt - on the 'off-topic' of Ferrari's, etc, why would you rather have a Dino instead of a 328 GTS? I've always admired the look of the 328 GTS, but as you stated, the 928 would always be first and the other sportscars would be secondary on the wi$hlist.
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D - those are fantastic photos! Those turbotwists give it the perfect class and upgrade. Beautiful car! I'd like to have one similar to that as a dialy driver...but not that clean - I'd be afraid to get a bug on it! ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Originally Posted by cobalt
It just goes to show you how subjective all this is. Gretch wouldn't consider a turbo 3.6 in his top 50 cars and I wouldn't consider any 996 other than the GT2 or GT3 in my top 50 list. But I still would put the turbo 3.6 above either the GT2 or GT3.
Its all cool. To each his own.
Its all cool. To each his own.
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Wanna know why the 928 is so beautiful and timeless? It confirms the axiom "Form Follow Function" and NOTHING else. No hype, no fake scoops, no exagerated body panels, no attempt to Wow the viewer and be anything else but what it is intended to be: a superlative super grand tourer for two people and their (limited) luggage and possible 2 small children. Nothing else. Honesty in form and finish. It is an egg. Try to improve the form and construction of an egg. Good luck. It is what it must be to function well and nothing more.
Sometimes what is NOT present in a design is as important or more important than what IS in the final form.
Moving along yesterday after a trip to Devek and rather briskly, I was grinning again thinking how well this machine functions for its purpose. Take vision: an upcoming lane blockage and an instant glance to the side to verify the adjacent lane is clear and flick the wheel and I am in the next lane in an instant and then back again. More grin. The rear quarter windows are so well designed for that important function. SUVs tossing clumsily from side to side trying to negotiate the road at half the speed and probably wondering how anyone can do what I am doing. Begone behemoths. The 928 is a well designed tool.
A couple of days ago I stopped at the Porsche dealer to try on a 997, which I had heard was a bit wider inside than the 911. No way. I bump my elbows as I turned the steering wheel. Still a VW. Enough of this. The 928 has JUST enough room and comfort for two people. We need to voice our opinions to Porsche again and again in hopes they will listen. I know all about the 911 being the "image" of Porsche. Baloney. The 911 can evolve just as any other thing can evolve. In the meantime, I drove away from the dealer grinning as I thought of how few people ever experience operating such a functional and beautiful "egg". Not many. How happy I was and fortunate to be one of them sometime during my lifetime.
Hey, but what do I know about design, right?
Sometimes what is NOT present in a design is as important or more important than what IS in the final form.
Moving along yesterday after a trip to Devek and rather briskly, I was grinning again thinking how well this machine functions for its purpose. Take vision: an upcoming lane blockage and an instant glance to the side to verify the adjacent lane is clear and flick the wheel and I am in the next lane in an instant and then back again. More grin. The rear quarter windows are so well designed for that important function. SUVs tossing clumsily from side to side trying to negotiate the road at half the speed and probably wondering how anyone can do what I am doing. Begone behemoths. The 928 is a well designed tool.
A couple of days ago I stopped at the Porsche dealer to try on a 997, which I had heard was a bit wider inside than the 911. No way. I bump my elbows as I turned the steering wheel. Still a VW. Enough of this. The 928 has JUST enough room and comfort for two people. We need to voice our opinions to Porsche again and again in hopes they will listen. I know all about the 911 being the "image" of Porsche. Baloney. The 911 can evolve just as any other thing can evolve. In the meantime, I drove away from the dealer grinning as I thought of how few people ever experience operating such a functional and beautiful "egg". Not many. How happy I was and fortunate to be one of them sometime during my lifetime.
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I think what makes the 928 special is thats it's a timeless design. No other Porsche has aged so well. Look at a GTS, it looks like a car that can be sold at a new car dealership. Yes, the 3.6 is cool, but it's far from timeless(It looks old, but in a cool way).
A GTS will be very contemporary looking for years to come. It's a very pure shape and pure shapes don't age.... This is probably one of the reasons the GTS's hold their price so well, they are not old and tired looking. They are still fresh and very modern...
A GTS will be very contemporary looking for years to come. It's a very pure shape and pure shapes don't age.... This is probably one of the reasons the GTS's hold their price so well, they are not old and tired looking. They are still fresh and very modern...
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luv the lines - hard, no impossible to find a bad side or angle.... they even look cool on the underside (especially w/an Xpipe), not that I'd want to show that to any but the priivledged few worthy of working on her.... better than a woman, they don't get old, bug you if you want another, etc... in fact, my wife tells me I should just go sleep w/my shark, since I adore it so.... or was it because of the latest repair bill? ha!
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Originally Posted by Weissach
... Look at a GTS, it looks like a car that can be sold at a new car dealership...
"I figured it had just come off the show room floor."
'nugh said.
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If the Dino had integrated bumpers it too would be timeless.
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I think the 928 benefits - to the extent of this 'timeless' discussion - by the fact that there were no 'redesigns' like the 911->964->993->996->997. Once you know about the 997 you know that the 996 is the 'old model.' Since there was only one 928 (lumping the OBs, S3s, and S4s together) there is no 'current' model against which to compare. Add this to the ahead-of-its-time engineering and you have the main ingredients of a timeless design.