fst951

As much as I love the 928 you must be smoking something to think that any iterations of the 928 ever looked any better than the simple aggressive stance of the 1994 3.6Turbo with or without the S package. I love the 928, I really do, but it never looked better than the 3.6. Handle better, yes the 928 does.

DoubleNutz

Oh boy,,, here come the haters! If he read the topic properly he would know that the statement of timeless bueaty was made by the- HEAD OF STYLING FOR PORSCHE A. G..

But some people just cannot resist the temptation to disagree and start hating ...where do these people come from?

DANdeMAN

Are you talking to me!?
Itetrate (iteration) : repeating, do or say again....
This is a 928 lovefest forum after all!
Is the 3.6 turbo look more agessive? Perhaps...specialy to 911 variant lovers.
I'm sure there are lots of praise on it's forum!

DoubleNutz

Ignore him DANdeman . He chose to come to this topic and spread some hate and insult our praises. If the Porsche's head of engineering wanted to make that statement about the 3.6Turbo he had every opportunity...but he did not. He made the statement about the 928 now we can expect the haters to stomp on into this thread and try to discredit everything nice said about our beautiful 928's.

I don't suppose that if the statement were made about the 3.6 Turbo that the turbo forum would be so accomodating if one of us stopmed in there and offered our praise for the 928's beauty. Those guys in the turbo forum would brutally thrash the holy hell out of you and try to get you banned from the list!

jsherid1

As I said in my original post, it is not just Michael Mauer that believes that the 928 is a fantastic design but design professionals from ALL of the auto companies. There was a 928 (Ben Salvador's) that was featured in the "Eyes on Design" show in Grosse Pointe last month. I cannot tell you how many design pros tell me that the 928 is one of their favorite cars.

The 911 is a fantastic design but it is nowhere near as influential on contemporary automotive design as the 928. Look at the dashboard being integrated with the design of the doors and the HVAC vents in the doors, now widely copied. Another example is the pod that adjusts with the steering wheel, another copied feature. The 911 is beautiful because it has evolved over time but even it has been influenced by the 928 with the bumper mounted driving lights and the better integrated bumpers as well as the laid back headlamps.

As for our friend above, perhaps he misread the post.

Vilhuer

How many other models have copied it? I can't think of any single one and that too bad as it's one ofter best and most advanced features of 928. In all 928 was first truly modern car. All models up to that point had non intecrated bumper or at least they were originally designed to have them. This was much larger change than it sounds as almost half of the cars body is shaped differently because of it. Also plastic fuel tank was new feature. Sadly some of these advanced technologies were not mature enough for production with Porsche's small development budget and this shows as problems we're having now.

There is one feature I wish they would have included. Better integration of windshield wipers into body. Design we ended up with is sort of afterthought. Just slap them at base of windshield and that's it. Ferrari had it right in 365 GTB/4 at late sixties already. Same kind of ledge as in Daytona might not look good on 928 but it would have been possible to semi hide wiper arms inside hood.

jsherid1

The Ford Probe, the Nissan 300ZX are two that I can think of that borrowed the moving pod.

cobalt

I can't say I agree. I have both and both are equally beautiful cars. When I gaze out over my garage and see the 2 side by side I look at one and say it is the most beautiful Porsche, I mean, car ever made and then I look at the other and I say it too is just as beautiful. They are two unique and gorgeous autos each in their own right. Both with a style and feeling unique to themselves. I have yet to find another car made today that I can say I appreciate more, than either of these 2. I would be hard pressed to sell either one.

I was up at West Point this past weekend and there were some beautiful vintage and new Ferraris and Lambos there. I had a very nice gentleman come up to me and comment on my GTS. He showed me his new Maseratti which was a beautiful car. But for all of its modern features and newer lines I would not trade him for an even swap although I could sell the Maseratti and buy several 928's for what he paid.

You compare to the 2. To me they are equally beautiful in their own right.

tv

Sorry Cobalt, 928 wins hands down. Understated, confident and sophisticated all while looking agressive. Your turbo is very nice, but lacks the smoothness.

1981 Shark

I agree, they are both beautiful machines and you seem to be well balanced in your cars and opinions. You're lucky ($) enough to have both, but given the choice and the $$, my 2nd would be another 928.

I agree with DoubleNutz about the thrashing, and I don't want to waste my time by going onto the other forum and pissing on them, so why did he choose to do so here; jealous inadequacies? Afterall, this IS the 928 forum and the only thing being smoked here is tires...

David

cobalt

Of course this is all subjective. I agree the 928 has smoother lines but the turbo is far more aggressive with the bulging flares. That is what makes them unique to what they are, the turbo isn't supposed to look smooth. It is supposed to look raw and purposeful the 928 is supposed to look sophisticated and streamline. The next time you are in NJ look me up. I bet when you see the 2 side by side you too will be torn.

What I will tell you is that when I bring them to the Concours events I have every person come up to me to talk about the turbo and about 1/3 of the people talk to me about the GTS. In person they both have great lines. The turbo wins peoples choice hands down most every time unfortunately the GTS barely gets honorable mention although both are pristine examples in great color combos. I guess you have to take that for something.

To me this is like saying that Blonds are prettier than redheads. There is no argument because beauty lies everywhere not just in one over the other.

I am not trying to tout one over the other. I am just trying to put balance to order and point out that they both look great and both have a place at the top of the list.

I don't agree with the comment made about the turbo over the 928. That is why I responded. I just feel that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and to say one is better than the other is purely subjective. I stand up for the 928 on the 911 boards the same way I am standing up for the turbo here. So if you feel I am trying to take air out of the balloon I am sorry but all in all this is Rennlist and as the 914 is praised on another thread here I don't see why equal credit can't be given to all Porsches.

tv

Hey Anthony,

I would like to get a ride in both some day. I agree with you that the turbo grabs more peoples attention because it is wild. But i find those that really know cars prefer the 928 styling as what has been said in this thread already.

I have gone on rides in my area with a guy who has an exact duplicate of your turbo down to the wheels, but in midnight blue. Nice car and great sound, but i still take the 928 easily not to mention that i think the 928 interior was hands down far above the 911 series up until the 997. I have driven a few 911's.

Enjoy both of your beautiful machines.

Tom

tv

Some pics of mine;

cobalt

If you get down this way let me know. I have no problem giving rides so long as it isn't winter. Was his a 3.6 or a 3.3 there is a big difference in performance.

I agree the 928's interior is far better than the 911's. Then again Porsche had years to learn from the 911 and correct earlier mistakes. The 928 has some of the most comfortable seats in any car I have ever driven. It has more room, better ergonomics and by far a better sound system. Not to mention all the creature comforts of one touch down windows and sunroof, access to controls and lots more room in the rear for my 7 year old son. The only thing I find laking in the 928 internallly is the layout of the GTS gages. the Pod is great but the 911 had much better instrumentation for performance driving. I find the newer cars lacking in this are to some degree also.

I must say that I love the 928 it is a great GT. Once I get the suspension sorted I plan on getting many years of driving pleasure out of it. Although the turbo will always be my personal favorite for pure driving excitement, the GTS can perform well but the excitement is nothing compared to the turbo. The GTS however is the ultimate for driving performance and comfort.

cobalt

Very nice tv. Is that your quatrovalve in the back ground? So a number of those this weekend at West Point.