Jim_H

OT-Sharker, A 92 S4? The last ever built?

heinrich

Stefan how much do you want for the wheels without tyres?

Mark Anderson

I wouldn't mind buying them back myself. How much for the tires and wheels? Do you have pictures of the damage?

heinrich

How the hell did you squeeze ONE-INCH spacers in there??? Is this for your GTS? In that case, take a look at GTS wheel offsets. One inch spacers come stock on your car, and I wouldn't hold the seller responsible for that ....

heinrich

OK, Stefan / Ron .... just so you guys both know, I think you're both good guys with a sad misunderstanding. That's all. I was just asking enough info to make my own mind up ..... Cheers Guys, hope you guys work it out.
Heinrich

Jfrahm

Would a reasonable person put those wheels on a 928 and be happy? Would a reasonable person notice the variation in the tires? What are the wheels worth w/o tires? If they are a better fit on a 911 maybe you should sell them and move on. Used tires are not worth a lot, I do not see having the seller on the hook for full price of new tires.

-Joel.

jetrainor

Just purchased a new set of twists from 928 Int and while i haven't mounted them yet, they look perfect. My question...and maybe i should be calling 928 INT direct instead of using this public forum...is on the off sets....Stefen mentions the front/rear offsets were wrong...it never crossed my mind to stipulate offsets, as they are going on a 928 and i assume they are all the same...Mark, if you could reply id appreciate...thanks

Mark Anderson

The most commonly sold aftermarket wheels that fit a 928 are as follows
7.5x17 front 49mm offset
9x17 rear 52mm offset

On the GTS Porsche used the following:
7.5x17 front 65mm offset
9x17 rear 55mm offset

By using the aftermarket replicas the fronts will stick out 8mm more than stock and the rears will be in by 1.5mm. With the stock GTS tires sizes this has yet to be a problem. If you are looking for the exact offsets as used by Porsche you will usually need to get factory wheels.

sublimate

This is getting a bit OT, but I thought I understood wheel measurements but I don't understand why you're dividing by 2 when talking about how far the wheel sticks out. The offset is the distance from the hub face to the wheel centerline, right? And when the offset changes by X, the position of the wheel centerline also changes by X. So it seems like the position of the edge of the wheel/tire will also change by X, not X/2, provided that the wheel width doesn't change. Hence the fronts should stick out 16mm more than stock (and to throw in more complication the track would be 32mm wider). Am I confused?

Garth S

No doubt this is a regrettable, deplorable situation for all involved; however, if a prior thread is to be referenced, this would be a good spot https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/162316-not-raising-rear-help-removing-spacers-and-adding-new-studs.html , as I was one of the several 'contributors' attempting to help a very enthuastic and proud owner in the fitting of their new wheels and tires to a 928.
Now known as aka "the Seller", I would not have taken my time then - or now were I not of the impression that I was dealing with a solid, credible Rennlist member.
It is clear that the Seller was inexperienced in tires, wheels, ET, spacers, etc: That is hardly a crime, but a learning stage ( in related posts, the ETs quoted were confused and subsequently corrected - clearly in error and not by intent). The satisfying result was that in the end the wheels fit!
Knowing the tire game reasonably well, it is pleasing when the 1 in 100 ( or 1 in a thousand) individual is aware of the fundamentals of differing internal tire construction that merit N0, N1, N2, M2 etc. sidewall designations ( specific to Porsche, Nissan, Mercedes, etc.) - at that time, I had no reason to believe the Seller to be that rare individual . IIRC, the tires were in matched pairs by size designation and model - the sole criteria for many unaware of the 'N1" difference.
With those points in mind, it is difficult to accept that any "Buyer" dissatifaction is attributable to willful misrepresentation by the "Seller" - dissatisfaciation there is, but if it is presented in the public fashion that it has been, then opinion is invited: My opinion is that there is no basis to challenge the Sellers character.

The question of track ratio and adherence to OEM design criteria would, from first principles, preclude purchase of any 18" wheels - obviously as they were never a factory offering. 'Customization' would be the area with 18s, and these same wheels have been fitted to at least two 928's - it is a shame they will not fit a third, for the ETs are within the realm of many successful fittings. Agreed that more front negative offset than 52mm is desirable - but there are a lot of happy owners with ET50 steering the fronts.
I suspect these wheels will again find a happy 928 home - in another place ... let it pass, but why chew up someone's character over a disagreement: When this thread started, it seemed by the response that a lynch party could have been formed - it's like tossing a bucket of crap into the wind: there are no winners, everyone gets spattered: I feel spattered in brown just from reading this ....

Abby Normal

I purchased my wheels and tires from a Rennlister and he was a total standup guy. He originally had them listed on e-bay, and then posted it here. We closed the transaction without even going through ebay.

I don't think many here would ever make a bad deal on purpose or screw someone over. My reputation is not for sale, and any regular user is likely to value their own reputation and will probably always try to make good on a deal done here. As for ebay, I have been happy with all of my purchases but one. And that's when none other than the infamous Robert Hack got me for $80.00.. Had I done a search here before dealing with him, it would have saved me the hassle. So the moral is, Rennlist and it's members are your friend!

Greggles

suggestion.....pick up the phone and work this out.

jetrainor

Thanks for the reply Mark.....i guess the bottom line is if i can mount the tires and bolt the new rims on my car without worrying about offsets/spacers etc, i'm happy....obviously there are a lot of people running the Hartman aftermarket twists without problems...

mark kibort

MK wishing i knew how to really insert comments into others text, without using the ..>>>>>>>>>> sorry folks! (help wanted!)

also, sorry to chime in on this thread, in that there really is a complaint of misrepresentation of the wheel offsets (yes, a big deal) and the tires. If i was told that the tires were all the same and they came out to be a "little" different, i would be upset too. not that they wouldnt work just fine (reason for my post) but for the reasons of truth in advertising.
again, sorry for the subtle highjacking of the thread.

Abby Normal

Brilliant!
(apply English accent)