Doug K

I was talking to Dave Roberts yesterday regarding the 1988 928 I recently picked up. The vin on the body appears to be for a Japanese model but the engine #'s are Club Sport. This was discovered when my mechanic ordered hoses for the fuel "pumps" from 928 Int. and the part numbers were for a GT This of course sparked an interest to dig deeper. After giving the engine #'s to both Tom @ 928 In t. and Dave @ 928 Specialist it has been confirmed that the engine is a CS. Although the engine #'s are CS the body #'s are not.
Any ideas out there?
Doug
83 928 5spd sold
88 928 Euro, CS 5spd I think

T_MaX

If the car has a Japanese designation, wouldn't it not also have been a left hand drive car? There no telling about this one, could have had an engine swap at some point in it's life.

JE928Sx4.

You can order just about anything on a car from Porsche when buying new if you want to pay for it. Nuff said there.

martin D

Its a SP code engine then ?

slate blue

Has it got a G55/2 gearbox code? The CS did.

Garth S

There are a signifigant number of Japanese market 928s finding a second life ( of wide open roads ) in Canada - all of which I know of are LHD; however, a CS would be a fantastic find!
The '88 VIN would be WP0ZZZ92ZJS84xxxx, with xxxx>5000. If you are in the US, a 'ZZZ' car is all the more rare due to tight to impossible import criteria.
Regards the fuel pumps, my 'Japanese' S4 has the in tank pump as well - which generally did not appear until '89 on NA models. There are several unique mechanical/sensor points, but nothing critical - but a CS

martin D

There were 2 CS's that went to the USA as press cars, both were Red
S/N's .....5061 & ....5064

ColinB

To the best of my knowledge the very rare CS cars had the GT engine, gearbox and suspension. Forged 16" wheels similar in appearance to design 90s but with some cosmetic detailing. No sunroof, manually operated 'sport' seats, manual window winders, no aircon (except as an option) reduced sound deadening material and only a single (drivers-side) rearview mirror. CS versions of other Porsches usually have no rear seats, just carpet, but I don't think this was the case with the 928 though as JE says, all options are available. I would love to see the spec of this car. Japan drives on the left but most imported cars remain LHD. Apparently it's a prestige thing there.

Colin 89GT

ColinB

PS. Garth S's avatar is a CS wheel. See the curved moulding details extending from rim to spokes.
Colin

Vilhuer

There are two different country option codes for Japan:

C08 Japan (LHD)
C18 Japan (RHD)

Best info on CS http://mapage.noos.fr/928cs

Martin, what is source for US CS VIN's? There was some discussion some time ago about existence of two US cars. Jörg Austen's book gives VIN's ...JS865061 and ...JS865062 but VIN check sites returned 924S information for these.

Doug K

Yes it has a LH steering wheel it does not have a sun roof or antena and the engine code is most definently CS
Doug
83 928s 5sp
88 928 CS, Euro, or something

martin D

Chicken before the egg there ! CS '88, GT '89
Gt same as CS except lacking CS front springs
Elec. windows (manual a myth ?)
all came with rear seats

martin D

Try ...JS845061 & ..JS845064 from Samual Fornis's site

CS & SE INFO

Modèles 1988:
WP0ZZZ92ZJS841486 (Prototype, 928 GTE)
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845061 (Essais presse Allemagne/GB/USA)
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845062
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845063
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845064 (Essais presse Allemagne/GB/USA)
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845065 (Essais presse France)
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845066
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845067
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845068
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845069
WP0ZZZ92ZJS845070

Seeing as they were press cars should they not have gone back to Germany ?

Vilhuer

I think JS845061 and JS845064 never left Germany and 'essais presse' refers to these two cars appearing in US car magazine articles where test drive was done in Germany with German plates BB:PW 180 for 61 and S:JX 5390 for 64. Their VIN's make it difficult to import them to USA. Factory would have simply used US VIN.

VIN's that Austen list are for two totally different cars. Difference being 13th character, 4 for Euro and 6 for USA model. On most cases model year and 14th through 17th chars of VIN do not make car unique, 13th character must be a known also. There are several examples in Chuck's 928 Registry where there's both Euro and USA model in US and Rixter owns two '79's with same number. Only when VIN's last four chars is larger than opposite continents production for model year then 10th + 14th through 17th make car unique.

As for this Japanise CS case. Does engine model year match VIN's 10th digit? How about gearbox type and model year? Are there C16 and 637 options in trunk sticker. Are there real window sun visors for example or are they missing and panel above doesn't have mointing points for them? What we really need is full VIN, entire engine number, entire gearbox number and everything on option sticker.

ColinB

Doug
No sunroof and antenna certainly suggests an '88 CS. The 89 car had a bee-sting roof antenna. Other likely external indicators would be no side mouldings and no rear window wiper. Possibly no passengers door mirror. Inside the spec should be minimal though it might be anything the original customer ordered but as Erkka points out the clincher for a CS would be the 637 option code on the build sticker under the rear carpet. It would probably also have 220, 474 and 393.

Martin
Chicken before the egg? The French site describes the details of both 88 and 89 CS cars, (and the British SE equivalent). The GT incorporated most of the CS sports options but with an additional 'luxury' spec. GTs had Cruise Control, RDK and leather trim for examples. CS and GT cars both have the 474 sports suspension option.

Colin 89GT