DonS

Heinrich,

Gotta be on the ENGINE for ViribusUnits to be able to use it. I know it's hard to limit yourself to just that with the 928. So many other areas to choose from.

Don

P.S. Sorry about the use of "Gotta". It's a Texas thang...

heinrich

Oh .... Sorry, I think the engine du jour is Tony's glamour gurl.

heinrich

Don ... sorry for the use of "glamour" ... it's a not-Texas thing

Jim bailey - 928 International

If the appearance of the engine was not a consideration why did Porsche bother to have the cam housings say PORSCHE and fit a badge to the center of the intake ? When something is deliberately designed to look better, I think that becomes art.

heinrich

applause

ViribusUnits

Nicole, I've gotta ask, do you work on your car yourself?

The reason I ask is that before I took much of the engine apart, I wasn't sure if it could be art. However, as I dive into it, and how it all fits together, I became convinced that it is art. There is something diffrent about the way that it's put together, and you don't realise it untill you start messing around and really looking at it.

Jim bailey - 928 International

Viribus, O K I'll be the ***..... the problem is not so much the spelling as it is the refusal to use SpellCheck that could be considered carelessness . I do know how frustrating it can be when SpellCheck has no clue what word you were trying to spell . You have a very legitimate excuse for poor spelling and perhaps in a more perfect world it should not matter. Knowing your limitations allows you to compensate and SpellCheck is available for that purpose. And yes ,I do SpellCheck nearly everything I write and still manage to screw things up. To me trying to spell things correctly is a courtesy and sign of respect for those you hope will read it and maybe that does make me an *** or simply old fashioned. I also believe that if you wish to post a draft of your paper you have a number of friends on this forum who would be willing to help you edit it in a constructive manner. To many the use of language is also an art form and poor spelling is like hitting a jarring pothole in the road . You get completely distracted from the spirit of the drive.

Ron_H

Ok Jim, now I must get into it. There are certain industrial designs that are deliberately designed to "look better" and they appear as crap to me. They fail though they are "better". Ugh! Certain autos fall into that catagory. No I would not like to elaborate as others on the forum would probably be offended if I gave examples. Trying to present something to not be repulsive is not necessarily visual art; to qualify it must transcend that state and be unusually aesthetically rewarding and refined. In fact, some autos are deliberately designed to be "trendy" and to lose their appeal after a short time of exposure. (translation: they begin a new aesthetic without any lasting artistic qualities and grow more disgusting with age....unless the viewer is drunk.) Art goes through stages, classical through baroque. In my opinion, we are in the baroque period presently, groping through the licentiousness of ovallity and other permissive explorations. Soon a new classic stage shall emerge. I surely hope it happens soon. Others are certainly free to disagree. ( Where are you Nicole? )

jorj7

Jim,

Saying what you think doesn't automatically make people think
you're an ***. It's only if they disagree with you that they think that.
Of course, the more opinions you express, the more likely people will
disagree with you.... Not necessarily a bad thing, especially if you don't
care what those people think of you or if you're right and know that they'll
figure it out eventually.

Ron_H

I hope Jim understands that I don't think he is an ***. And I don't totally disagree with him at all. Increasing aesthetic appeal is certainly a step towards achieving art, no matter how esoteric.

Steve J.

From a '78 Porsche marketing brochure: "Perhaps the Porsche 928 should have no hood. Putting its handsome aluminum V-8 engine on public display might be the best way to show the world the quality of creative thought that Porsche has devoted to this, its newest car." "The disciplines of art and engineering merge in the very nature of the 928 body." "Art and science are blended too in the shape of the 928." "On the 928 there are none of the pretensions of other cars: no obvious spoilers, flares or stripes. Its form is inspired instead by taste and logic, and refined into a dry elegance. Like a Brancusi sculpture, it molds and reflects the light in subtle ways that never fail to fascinate. Moving, it has a mercurial fluidity of line. It looks as it is: born to be restless."

Jim bailey - 928 International

Thank You Steve...I especially like the "none of the pretensions" . I think very few companies deliberately design an "ugly car" yet it happens. Of course ugly is different to different people. If cars were designed only for function everything would look like 1/2 of a rain drop ! Note how as some approach that ideal a lot of people think they do not LOOK good. The elevated bustle butt of the current BMWs ? Like I said it is subjective but so is art.

ViribusUnits

Spell check would be great, except the code for the board habitualy crashs. Not to mention, when I do miss spell words, it never seems to have the right suggestion when it does "work." (not to mention a 26.4 kbps connection speed doesn't like the checker.)

If it's important I copy paste to MS word and use that spell checker. But MS word is kinda buggy on this machine too.

Ah, the joys of being cheap...

kshipp

I found this pic on the web ( http://www.porschepiotrek.webpark.pl )