I've gotta say that I told you so! Rennlister negativism cost someone a great deal!
08-23-2004, 01:23 AM
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I've gotta say that I told you so! Rennlister negativism cost someone a great deal!
I originally posted a "heads up" topic about four days ago for fellow Rennlisters regarding a 1987 red/tan Porsche 928 S4 with just 38,000 miles that was for sale for $9500 or best offer.
It had just been just listed on Ebay for a starting bid of $7000, but what most didn't know was that that same seller had just listed it that very same day with a very, very tiny clasified ad on Autotrader for an asking price of $9500 or best offer!
I was quick to alert my so called "fellow Rennnlisters" of this genuine opportunity and to tell them to call the seller directly and tell him you saw the ad in Autotrader and get it for what I assume would be around $8500-$9500.
I had stated that they probably shouldn't waste anytime with a PPI or anything else for that matter as time was of the essence, especially at this price! "Sometimes you've gotta say, what the %#$@, make your move!" The price was to good to waste anytime on a PPI and I informed anyone that was interested of that fact.
I used to buy and sell these cars '87-'95 models, but am no longer involved in the business. I just thought I would pass a deal that I would have normally jumped on to someone else! Instead, I was met with negativism and credibility isues.
First off, someone stated that there was a major odometer discrepency totaling less than 1000 miles. I'm sure there's some big crime syndicate that specializes in rolling back odometeres 1000 miles to produce very large profits. Come on, this was most likely a license branch typo error (like this has never happened before).
Secondly, someone jumped right on the fact that the owner stated they were the original tires. They guy is 60 years old plus, he's owned the car since 1991, do you think its possible he may have forgotten about the tires? Worst scenerio, you put another $400-$500 into tires. Now you've got $9000 in a 38,000 mile S4!
And lastly, but not leastly, someone else stated that the problem with the AC not charging completely was very suspicious. Yeh, those '87 AC compressors are indestructable, especially after 17 years!
I only posted the original topic to alert fellow Rennlisters of a great deal, and it was! You know, I see most every great deal on these cars before anyone else, but I'll be keeping them to myself from now on, that's for sure!
There are so may Rennlisters full of negativism and bad attitude that they most definately ruined a great deal for what could have been a fellow Rennlister.
In closing, I'll let you know that this particular 928 is now at $10,600 with more than 5 days to go in the auction. My guess is that it will bring somewhere around $15,000. That's a far cry from $8500-$9500!
I just so happen to know of another great deal on a black/black GT with 56,000 miles that could be bought for $16,000, but you'll have to find this one on your own...........before someone else does, of course!
Negative Rennlisters, and you know who you are, why not try being a little more positive! You'll be alot happier for it! Or, continue to blast me!
It had just been just listed on Ebay for a starting bid of $7000, but what most didn't know was that that same seller had just listed it that very same day with a very, very tiny clasified ad on Autotrader for an asking price of $9500 or best offer!
I was quick to alert my so called "fellow Rennnlisters" of this genuine opportunity and to tell them to call the seller directly and tell him you saw the ad in Autotrader and get it for what I assume would be around $8500-$9500.
I had stated that they probably shouldn't waste anytime with a PPI or anything else for that matter as time was of the essence, especially at this price! "Sometimes you've gotta say, what the %#$@, make your move!" The price was to good to waste anytime on a PPI and I informed anyone that was interested of that fact.
I used to buy and sell these cars '87-'95 models, but am no longer involved in the business. I just thought I would pass a deal that I would have normally jumped on to someone else! Instead, I was met with negativism and credibility isues.
First off, someone stated that there was a major odometer discrepency totaling less than 1000 miles. I'm sure there's some big crime syndicate that specializes in rolling back odometeres 1000 miles to produce very large profits. Come on, this was most likely a license branch typo error (like this has never happened before).
Secondly, someone jumped right on the fact that the owner stated they were the original tires. They guy is 60 years old plus, he's owned the car since 1991, do you think its possible he may have forgotten about the tires? Worst scenerio, you put another $400-$500 into tires. Now you've got $9000 in a 38,000 mile S4!
And lastly, but not leastly, someone else stated that the problem with the AC not charging completely was very suspicious. Yeh, those '87 AC compressors are indestructable, especially after 17 years!
I only posted the original topic to alert fellow Rennlisters of a great deal, and it was! You know, I see most every great deal on these cars before anyone else, but I'll be keeping them to myself from now on, that's for sure!
There are so may Rennlisters full of negativism and bad attitude that they most definately ruined a great deal for what could have been a fellow Rennlister.
In closing, I'll let you know that this particular 928 is now at $10,600 with more than 5 days to go in the auction. My guess is that it will bring somewhere around $15,000. That's a far cry from $8500-$9500!
I just so happen to know of another great deal on a black/black GT with 56,000 miles that could be bought for $16,000, but you'll have to find this one on your own...........before someone else does, of course!
Negative Rennlisters, and you know who you are, why not try being a little more positive! You'll be alot happier for it! Or, continue to blast me!
Last edited by low miler; 08-23-2004 at 02:41 AM.
08-23-2004, 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by low miler
I originally posted a "heads up" topic about four days ago for fellow Rennlisters regarding a 1987 red/tan Porsche 928 S4 with just 38,000 miles that was for sale for $9500 or best offer.
It had just been just listed on Ebay for a starting bid of $7000, but what most didn't know was that that same seller had jus listed it that same day in a very, very tiny ad in Autotrader for a sale price of just $9500 obo!
I was quick to alert my so called "fellow Rennnlisters" of this genuine opportunity and to tell them to call the seller directly and tell him you saw the ad in Autotrader and get it for what I assume would be around $8500-$9500.
I had stated that they probably shouldn't waste anytime with a PPI or anything else for that matter as time was of the essence, especially at this price! "Sometimes you've gotta say, what the %#$@, make your move!" The price was to good to waste anytime on a PPI and I informed anyone that was interested of that fact.
To my disbelief, I was met with immediate negativism and credibility issues.
First off, someone stated that there was a major odometer discrepency totaling less than 1000 miles. I'm sure there's some big crime syndicate that specializes in rolling back odometeres 1000 miles to produce very large profits. Come on, this was most likely a license branch typo error (like this has never happened before).
It had just been just listed on Ebay for a starting bid of $7000, but what most didn't know was that that same seller had jus listed it that same day in a very, very tiny ad in Autotrader for a sale price of just $9500 obo!
I was quick to alert my so called "fellow Rennnlisters" of this genuine opportunity and to tell them to call the seller directly and tell him you saw the ad in Autotrader and get it for what I assume would be around $8500-$9500.
I had stated that they probably shouldn't waste anytime with a PPI or anything else for that matter as time was of the essence, especially at this price! "Sometimes you've gotta say, what the %#$@, make your move!" The price was to good to waste anytime on a PPI and I informed anyone that was interested of that fact.
To my disbelief, I was met with immediate negativism and credibility issues.
First off, someone stated that there was a major odometer discrepency totaling less than 1000 miles. I'm sure there's some big crime syndicate that specializes in rolling back odometeres 1000 miles to produce very large profits. Come on, this was most likely a license branch typo error (like this has never happened before).
08-23-2004, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by low miler
I originally posted a "heads up" topic about four days ago for fellow Rennlisters regarding a 1987 red/tan Porsche 928 S4 with just 38,000 miles that was for sale for $9500 or best offer.
It had just been just listed on Ebay for a starting bid of $7000, but what most didn't know was that that same seller had just listed it hat very same day with a very, very tiny classified ad on Autotrader for a price of $9500 or best offer!
I was quick to alert my so called "fellow Rennnlisters" of this genuine opportunity and to tell them to call the seller directly and tell him you saw the ad in Autotrader and get it for what I assume would be around $8500-$9500.
I had stated that they probably shouldn't waste anytime with a PPI or anything else for that matter as time was of the essence, especially at this price! "Sometimes you've gotta say, what the %#$@, make your move!" The price was to good to waste anytime on a PPI and I informed anyone that was interested of that fact.
To my disbelief, I was met with immediate negativism and credibility issues.
First off, someone stated that there was a major odometer discrepency totaling less than 1000 miles. I'm sure there's some big crime syndicate that specializes in rolling back odometeres 1000 miles to produce very large profits. Come on, this was most likely a license branch typo error (like this has never happened before).
It had just been just listed on Ebay for a starting bid of $7000, but what most didn't know was that that same seller had just listed it hat very same day with a very, very tiny classified ad on Autotrader for a price of $9500 or best offer!
I was quick to alert my so called "fellow Rennnlisters" of this genuine opportunity and to tell them to call the seller directly and tell him you saw the ad in Autotrader and get it for what I assume would be around $8500-$9500.
I had stated that they probably shouldn't waste anytime with a PPI or anything else for that matter as time was of the essence, especially at this price! "Sometimes you've gotta say, what the %#$@, make your move!" The price was to good to waste anytime on a PPI and I informed anyone that was interested of that fact.
To my disbelief, I was met with immediate negativism and credibility issues.
First off, someone stated that there was a major odometer discrepency totaling less than 1000 miles. I'm sure there's some big crime syndicate that specializes in rolling back odometeres 1000 miles to produce very large profits. Come on, this was most likely a license branch typo error (like this has never happened before).
Also never trust a person without an avatar.
08-23-2004, 02:37 AM
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Low Miler, just put stuff up and let the chips fall where they may. Some of us will take a chance, some of us won't. That'll never change but overall, I'd rather hear about the opportunities.
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08-23-2004, 03:18 AM
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Steve J.....LMAO
Todd (Low Miler),
It's all part of the fun of rennlist. You could pretty much type any message you wanted on this board and catch some criticism and some support. It's kinda like big business.... if you get a margin of 10-15% more supporting replies than criticals replies then you are doing one hell of a job.
IICR you did get quite a bit of support in your thread besides some criticism.
Keep em coming. I am not afraid to buy a 928 unseen when I want one.
Andy K
Todd (Low Miler),
It's all part of the fun of rennlist. You could pretty much type any message you wanted on this board and catch some criticism and some support. It's kinda like big business.... if you get a margin of 10-15% more supporting replies than criticals replies then you are doing one hell of a job.
IICR you did get quite a bit of support in your thread besides some criticism.
Keep em coming. I am not afraid to buy a 928 unseen when I want one.
Andy K
08-23-2004, 04:46 AM
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Todd,
I think it's unfortunate that you took those posts personally. From what I saw this car was given a critical look by a number of people who noticed things that raised questions. That happens ANYTIME a car for sale is mentioned, unless its owner is known and the cars history is known. Just so you know, it goes on all the time... it's not like everyone decided to whip out their sleuth hats just because you posted it.
And for the record, I too am hesitant to write a check on the say-so of someone I've never met who has never seen the goods in question. Please try to see the other side of that situation.
I'm sure your hunches have served you well, and it sounds like you feel frustrated that this one didn't seem to be taken seriously. But ultimately, the story is not over until the owner drives it a bit and finds out what it REALLY needs. Right now you are saying "I told you so" but what will you be saying if the new owner signs in here with a horror story of facing 15K in repairs to make it right?
I for one enjoy seeing you try to help hook people up with deals. I think most of us here do. But we're a helpful bunch, and sometimes that extends to helping others see potential pitfalls with various opportunities. Again, sorry you felt personally attacked. I don't think that's what these forums are about.
I think it's unfortunate that you took those posts personally. From what I saw this car was given a critical look by a number of people who noticed things that raised questions. That happens ANYTIME a car for sale is mentioned, unless its owner is known and the cars history is known. Just so you know, it goes on all the time... it's not like everyone decided to whip out their sleuth hats just because you posted it.
And for the record, I too am hesitant to write a check on the say-so of someone I've never met who has never seen the goods in question. Please try to see the other side of that situation.
I'm sure your hunches have served you well, and it sounds like you feel frustrated that this one didn't seem to be taken seriously. But ultimately, the story is not over until the owner drives it a bit and finds out what it REALLY needs. Right now you are saying "I told you so" but what will you be saying if the new owner signs in here with a horror story of facing 15K in repairs to make it right?
I for one enjoy seeing you try to help hook people up with deals. I think most of us here do. But we're a helpful bunch, and sometimes that extends to helping others see potential pitfalls with various opportunities. Again, sorry you felt personally attacked. I don't think that's what these forums are about.
08-23-2004, 05:10 AM
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Rennlist cynicism? Gimme a break.
Looks like they'll pay a high price for the car as it appears. Of course, so was $9500. Funny, don't recall any mention of the fact that it had a mediocre quickie paint to (at least) the front of the car anywhere in the "DON'T LOOK, JUST BUY IT NOW!" sales hustle. Just imagine some poor SOB taking that advice and going to pickup this "incredible opportunity". Opportunity to what? Overpay for a car that has a building resume of question marks every time somebody provides more of those silly, unnecessary 'FACT' things?
'87, nothing special with a repaint so bad you could see it even in that carefully staged picture. This speaks volumes about the rest of the cars condition, as well as the "underinformed" owner. Oh yeah, I'm sure he has "no idea" about the car. Just like the "single mom" in Indy selling the "easy fix" GTS.
The more this dead horse is flogged, the "Schmitt"-ier the whole deal appears.
Hope that slapdash paintjob isn't hiding lots more slapdash bodywork. Glad to be in the company of these wacky "cynics"....
BTW- There may not be a big 'crime syndicate' that rolls odos back 1000 miles, but there sure are lotsa owners who'd rather not have the extra 25K miles they drove show up on the odo come sales time. But since you're a broker, you know that right? I'm sure that it was the DMV though...
Greg
Looks like they'll pay a high price for the car as it appears. Of course, so was $9500. Funny, don't recall any mention of the fact that it had a mediocre quickie paint to (at least) the front of the car anywhere in the "DON'T LOOK, JUST BUY IT NOW!" sales hustle. Just imagine some poor SOB taking that advice and going to pickup this "incredible opportunity". Opportunity to what? Overpay for a car that has a building resume of question marks every time somebody provides more of those silly, unnecessary 'FACT' things?
'87, nothing special with a repaint so bad you could see it even in that carefully staged picture. This speaks volumes about the rest of the cars condition, as well as the "underinformed" owner. Oh yeah, I'm sure he has "no idea" about the car. Just like the "single mom" in Indy selling the "easy fix" GTS.
The more this dead horse is flogged, the "Schmitt"-ier the whole deal appears.
Hope that slapdash paintjob isn't hiding lots more slapdash bodywork. Glad to be in the company of these wacky "cynics"....
BTW- There may not be a big 'crime syndicate' that rolls odos back 1000 miles, but there sure are lotsa owners who'd rather not have the extra 25K miles they drove show up on the odo come sales time. But since you're a broker, you know that right? I'm sure that it was the DMV though...
Greg
08-23-2004, 05:29 AM
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Dave,
Check out the pic back a coupla threads.("Picture of car that low miler was talking about").
I was waiting for someone else to spot it (Nicole did in about 2 seconds). Of course, I could be wrong, there may have been a body colored bumper beading option. But, I haven't ever seen it on the option list.
Greg
Check out the pic back a coupla threads.("Picture of car that low miler was talking about").
I was waiting for someone else to spot it (Nicole did in about 2 seconds). Of course, I could be wrong, there may have been a body colored bumper beading option. But, I haven't ever seen it on the option list.
Greg
08-23-2004, 05:38 AM
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Duh! Yeah, I saw that... the one with the authentic matchbox paintjob. I just went and looked again... and that front spoiler looks like it was dredged up from the bottom of the Potomac! Thanks for the memory jog.
08-23-2004, 07:11 AM
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Low Miler: I was with you until I saw the picture of the car. It has had a cheapo respray, with the beading bewteen fenders and bumpers as well as windshield washer nozzles and mirror gaskets oversprayed - an absolute nono, in my little humble opinion. Because I've had thee cars in my life where someone had tried to be cheap, and I had paint peeling and faced the decision to either fix it or let the car go.
To me, this car isn't worth much, becaue it has been messed up. I think it's already overpriced. Sadly.
To me, this car isn't worth much, becaue it has been messed up. I think it's already overpriced. Sadly.
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A few days ago Loui Ott posted about a neat black/black one that he saw in I-da-hoe. Somebody who knows 928s has already seen this one, so we have a better idea of its condition.
Here is what he wrote:
Subject: Found low mile S4 for sale
Hi,
I was in Boise, ID, this week and saw a 928 on a used car lot. I stopped to
investigate. It is an '88 S4 auto. Black/black with
Porsche cloth seats. The cloth is in the center part of the seats
(bottom and backs) and has "Porsche" embossed in the fabric at an
angle. If anyone has seen Mike Schmidt's car, this is a duplicate.
The mileage is ~22k and the car looks like it was cared for and
garaged. It is as "like new" as a '88 MY car can be. It has stock
disc wheels. The car is on consignment and the owner wants "around"
$22k. I don't know if the car has been there long enough for him to
consider a lower price. I really hated to see the Boise sun cooking the
interior and wanted to do my moral duty and rescue it. My "No more 928s"
anti-acquisition unit was along with shields fully deployed and active.
While agreeing it was a beautiful car and one she could even drive (auto
trans), no amount of logic, whining, glaring, whimpering, drooling would
budge her off of her incessant chant of "No!". While that may, in time, be
converted to "Not now", or even "Maybe if...", I thought someone else should
get a chance before the interior turns to a series of cracks and warped
panels.
The car is at Main Street Motors, 2715 W Idaho. I do think it is at
about 27th and W. Main, but I don't know the rules of Boise street
addressing very well. The phone number is 208-861-3272. A German car repair
shop, "Autohaus" is located one street behind the lot if a pre-purchase
inspection is desired.
Louie Ott
Here is what he wrote:
Subject: Found low mile S4 for sale
Hi,
I was in Boise, ID, this week and saw a 928 on a used car lot. I stopped to
investigate. It is an '88 S4 auto. Black/black with
Porsche cloth seats. The cloth is in the center part of the seats
(bottom and backs) and has "Porsche" embossed in the fabric at an
angle. If anyone has seen Mike Schmidt's car, this is a duplicate.
The mileage is ~22k and the car looks like it was cared for and
garaged. It is as "like new" as a '88 MY car can be. It has stock
disc wheels. The car is on consignment and the owner wants "around"
$22k. I don't know if the car has been there long enough for him to
consider a lower price. I really hated to see the Boise sun cooking the
interior and wanted to do my moral duty and rescue it. My "No more 928s"
anti-acquisition unit was along with shields fully deployed and active.
While agreeing it was a beautiful car and one she could even drive (auto
trans), no amount of logic, whining, glaring, whimpering, drooling would
budge her off of her incessant chant of "No!". While that may, in time, be
converted to "Not now", or even "Maybe if...", I thought someone else should
get a chance before the interior turns to a series of cracks and warped
panels.
The car is at Main Street Motors, 2715 W Idaho. I do think it is at
about 27th and W. Main, but I don't know the rules of Boise street
addressing very well. The phone number is 208-861-3272. A German car repair
shop, "Autohaus" is located one street behind the lot if a pre-purchase
inspection is desired.
Louie Ott