MBMB

From one of my correspondents:

"Yeah, the 924 was a VW project, the 944 an Audi project (the replacement
for the Audi GT and eventually the Quattro -- imagine that if you will,
a 944 Turbo with all wheel drive in an "alternative past") and the 928 was
the replacement for the 560SL. Porsche managed to do the contracts so that
if the buyer elected to not build the car, they retained full rights. So,
they wound up with these *very odd* decidedly "non-Porsche-like" models."

????

Big Dave

Other than the transmission, what parts of the 928 have anything to do with Mercedes?

pete944

The only part of that statement that has any thread of truth in it is that the 924 originally started as a VW project.
The 944 was a Porsche project. It was done to remove the VW/Audi image from the 924.
The 928 was a clean sheet design from Porsche as a replacement for the aging 911. Porsche did not think the 911 would be able to meet the increasing emissions regulations.

Nicole

It's amazing what BS some people make up...

Jim bailey - 928 International

The 924 part is the only truth ...that was a VW project killed at the last moment and adopted by Porsche who had done all the design work using as many off the self VW/Audi parts as possible ( that was the mission statement ). Which explains why a "Porsche " had stamped metal front suspension arms from a beetle and rear drum brakes and suspension off a VW station wagon 411 . The Audi engine needs no further comments . It was a Frankenstein car . The 944 was the evolution of the 924 and did get a lot of Porsche DNA added . The 928 was Porsche building the very best car they knew how to build starting with nothing and designing it from the ground up . They questioned everything and felt no need to use existing parts . That is something very , very rare when it comes to designing a "new " car .

MBMB

My correspondent writes: "I have a friend who worked at the design center in the 80s. The old timers
were still grousing about management's decision to take [the 928] to production."

I'm not backing him on this, but wondering if anyone else has heard the same thing.

Vilhuer

One person working in local Porsche importer claimed some years ago 928 engine is same as similar vintage Mercedes V8. When asked what parts are same, he couldn't give any answer. Also have heard 928 V8 = Audi V8 but that came from someone who I wouldn't expect to know better.

Erkka

1992 928 GTS 5-speed no MB engine
Oak Green Metallic 22L
Classic Gray MX

Rufus Sanders

Yeah, what Nicole said. Why would anyone say this? It's obvious that Porsche was trying to outdo themselves with this car and it still is the best car they've built, especially for the prices you can get one now.I actually drove the MB that it was "supposed" to replace many years ago when I was considering a nice older sportscar, and it was so mushy that there's now way it could be replaced by a 928-ish car. - Ruf

heinrich

Everyone at Porsche was ready to take the 928 to production. This includes design, engineering, manufacturing and management, as well as the Porsche family.

That the 928 didn't immediately (or ever) perform in sales as had been so heavily anticipated, caused problems at Porsche and the rift between Ernst Fuhrmann (management) and the Porsche family started to appear. Quickly, the Porsche family wanted to dump the 928 and focus on the 911 as their flagship, but Fuhrmann forged ahead with FEWC plans. Personally, I can't imagine that the Porsche family had any love at all for the VW-Audi buyback 924, and even the 944 of later evolution. My dad always told me, if it's watercooled it isn't a Porsche. And he drove Porsches from the '60's through to the '90's.

The original statement shows a very clear lack of knowledge of Porsche history and culture.

blau928

Have any of you noticed how many MBZ connectors and hardware are on the 928. Look very closely, they even have the three pointed star. In addition, the 500E Mercedes was transported to Stuttgart on trucks as a chassis, and assembled entirely in Stuttgart BY PORSCHE. Porsche has worked with Mercedes, and other Car companies for a long time..

In addition, the 32v Porsche 928 engine is very similar in design and finish to the 32v 5Liter MBZ Engine..... Even down to the materials....

Hmmmmmmm...

944's were built in Neckarslum (Audi Factory) , not in Stuttgart.... Oh, and so many VW parts in them.... Hmmmmmmm....

Anyway, still love my 928, even if it has MBZ parts. Oh, an I am also fond of my AMG 500 SEL as well.... And I am thinking of getting an AMG E60, a 500E chassis from MBZ in Unterturkheim, Assembled at Porsche in Stuttgart, and altered by AMG in Grossaspach.....

So, where does this brand end, and the other begin... Who cares..?

Cheers,

Jim bailey - 928 International

The 928 design group and 911 faithful experienced a bit of sibling rivalry within Porsche . Management had expressed the opinion that the 911 design was outdated . The 928 was to have been THE car for the future .

Vilhuer

It's true that there are many similarities between 928 and MB V8's but what parts are interchangeble? Now why would anyone pay $$$$$ for Devek stroker when there are 6 liter Brabus etc. engines around from $$$$?

Erkka

1992 928 GTS 5-speed definitelly not MB engine
Oak Green Metallic 22L
Classic Gray MX

Sab

Hi Richard,
I drove an E60 in Germany and it's an awesome car. Looks like a family sedan and blows the doors off anything on the road. That engine would definetely be nice in a 928.
regards,
Sab.

jon928se

924 2.0 Engine was a VW van engine originally. The real reason the 911 persisted was the Porsche family and senior management didn't want the rear engined air cooled concept replaced. A degree of financial shrewdness may have helped this opinion. Approaching the launch of the 928 the world had an oil crisis and big Engines were not a good selling point so the 928 was scaled down at the request of the top brass. If the oil crisis hadn't happened who knows where the 928 would have ended up. Launched with a 5.0litre 16V 310bhp engine even in the US ?

Must remember the 924 kept sufficient money flowing into the Porsche coffers during the mid 70's to early 80's to allow the development of the 928 and to allow P to keep selling antiquated derivatives of the Hitlers peoples car.

Same has happened recently the Boxster was Porsches financial lifeline in the late 90's and released the funds to get the Cayenne out of the factory and probably the Cayenne will do the same for the "928 replacement"

They'd better not call it a 928 though.

Jon
Black SE

blau928

Hi Sab,

The E 60 is schnell indeed..! Ja..! I actually plan on building a supercharged 6Liter 928. I am in process of doing my 5Liter supercharged setup as a baseline, then throwing in a Stroker Crank and having some more fun...

Now one fine day, maybe I can get my US Spec (altered) 928 over to Deutschland, und auf der 'ring.... na Ja...!

Oh, just got word my 3 inch stainless, dual pipe exhaust is ready.. Going to pick her up tomorrow... I will post pixx...

PS, I have also driven in a Brabus 6.5, and a Brabus 7.3.. Mamma MIA..!!!