16V Intercooled Twin-Screw Supercharger Project begins at 9:00 pst tonight.
03-30-2004, 05:45 PM
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I hate when market value is compared to putting money into a car. If we were all worried about the value and what these cars are worth, would we really own them?
If you own the car long enough to do a timing belt/water pump/rollers etc.. and a clutch job, your almost at the value of some nice early 928's. Does that mean we shouldn't fix them? Well, some people do.
There is a Rennlister with a damn nice 944S2 that needs a water pump. He was quoted $1500 for the job and started parting the car out. Thank god we talked him out of it. Point is, if you enjoy the car and the mod, what's with this mystical street value we compare everything to?
If you own the car long enough to do a timing belt/water pump/rollers etc.. and a clutch job, your almost at the value of some nice early 928's. Does that mean we shouldn't fix them? Well, some people do.
There is a Rennlister with a damn nice 944S2 that needs a water pump. He was quoted $1500 for the job and started parting the car out. Thank god we talked him out of it. Point is, if you enjoy the car and the mod, what's with this mystical street value we compare everything to?
03-30-2004, 06:10 PM
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I'm not talking about not owning these cars, or not maintaining these cars, just because the maintainance is expensive. That is just what you have to deal with if you choose to buy an older supercar.
I'm just saying that the average US 928 owner (79-86), has a car valued at about $3,500-$9,000.
I think that a lot of those people, if they could afford one, would get an s4.
I think that the US 928 is more of a "budget" supercar. Or at least it is percieved that way.
But once people get one, and drive it for a while, they want more power.
Especially torque.
But the type of person who buys a "budget" 928, for fun, and does their own work,
to keep the costs down, etc, is going to have a gut reaction to paying that much
money for a supercharger kit. I'm not saying it is not worth it. I am not saying
it is not a good thing. I am just saying that a lot of people are going to have
a gut reaction against paying that much, to put their 240hp car into the 340hp range.
Because you could just sell your Pre-s4 928 and add a few thousand more,
and just get an s4. I can indeed see the value of getting a supercharger on your 928.
But if I was going to drop $8K on a kit, I would only spend that kind of money,
if it were going to put my car in the supercar league. That is why I think the MURPH
kit, and Andy's s4 kit, are awesome. Because 8K is a great deal, to get your car
into the 500rwhp range. But to spend $8k, just to get your early 928 in the same range
as a modified s4? It's cheaper than a stroker, and it's not a bad thing. I may do it myself.
If you have the need for speed, you will do what you have to do.
But I just know that the pre-s4 owners are a slightly different breed from the s4 owners.
Just a little bit more budget-minded. Sure, some people just LOVE the early cars.
They love the classic design, 80's feel, etc. But I think many more people got
these cars because they were an amazing car for the money, and they ended
up falling in love with the car. But they originally got one because it was a good
deal, and a great car, compared to other cars in the same price range... Seriously,
what other sports cars are in the same price range as a pre-s4 928? Name one
that has all the same quality, features, looks, etc? There are not many...
I'm just saying that the average US 928 owner (79-86), has a car valued at about $3,500-$9,000.
I think that a lot of those people, if they could afford one, would get an s4.
I think that the US 928 is more of a "budget" supercar. Or at least it is percieved that way.
But once people get one, and drive it for a while, they want more power.
Especially torque.
But the type of person who buys a "budget" 928, for fun, and does their own work,
to keep the costs down, etc, is going to have a gut reaction to paying that much
money for a supercharger kit. I'm not saying it is not worth it. I am not saying
it is not a good thing. I am just saying that a lot of people are going to have
a gut reaction against paying that much, to put their 240hp car into the 340hp range.
Because you could just sell your Pre-s4 928 and add a few thousand more,
and just get an s4. I can indeed see the value of getting a supercharger on your 928.
But if I was going to drop $8K on a kit, I would only spend that kind of money,
if it were going to put my car in the supercar league. That is why I think the MURPH
kit, and Andy's s4 kit, are awesome. Because 8K is a great deal, to get your car
into the 500rwhp range. But to spend $8k, just to get your early 928 in the same range
as a modified s4? It's cheaper than a stroker, and it's not a bad thing. I may do it myself.
If you have the need for speed, you will do what you have to do.
But I just know that the pre-s4 owners are a slightly different breed from the s4 owners.
Just a little bit more budget-minded. Sure, some people just LOVE the early cars.
They love the classic design, 80's feel, etc. But I think many more people got
these cars because they were an amazing car for the money, and they ended
up falling in love with the car. But they originally got one because it was a good
deal, and a great car, compared to other cars in the same price range... Seriously,
what other sports cars are in the same price range as a pre-s4 928? Name one
that has all the same quality, features, looks, etc? There are not many...
03-30-2004, 06:23 PM
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Damn you SNO!!!!! 
You're not making my life any easier. I have a brand new engine sitting in my '79. And it sits idle in my extra garage. Why are you tempting me?!!!
Actually, the blower isn't that bad. It's all the extra stuff that needs to be done. Like brakes and posi. I would simply LOVE to have some real power in this vehicle. And especially a noninterference engine.
Don't make me buy one of these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're not making my life any easier. I have a brand new engine sitting in my '79. And it sits idle in my extra garage. Why are you tempting me?!!!
Actually, the blower isn't that bad. It's all the extra stuff that needs to be done. Like brakes and posi. I would simply LOVE to have some real power in this vehicle. And especially a noninterference engine.
Don't make me buy one of these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03-30-2004, 06:35 PM
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If you had both cars with nice power levels, you would actually have to debate which one to drive, instead of the 79 feeling neglected...
OR
Sell the 79, and use that $$$ for a supercharger for your GT...
OR
Sell the 79, and use that $$$ for a supercharger for your GT...
03-30-2004, 10:12 PM
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I don't think anyone will have to sell any of their 928s to come up with the figure of around $3k that it will cost to install my entry level system.
Now if you are adverse to buying a few of the parts included in the affore mentioned $ 3K on your own to save money then just send me $8k
Andy K
Now if you are adverse to buying a few of the parts included in the affore mentioned $ 3K on your own to save money then just send me $8k
Andy K
03-30-2004, 11:32 PM
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Is it done yet?
03-31-2004, 02:18 AM
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SharkSkin,
I bought your car's younger brother and picked it up last night. It is a 1980 5 speed with 85k mi. It seems solid but has an ugly black paint job.
The best I could tell you about a CIS suprercharger system now is that a CIS project will benefit from the L jet system of the 80-86 cars that I am actively working on. Physically the parts would fit. If I can figure a way to use the CIS to meter air into the the supercharger then the whole system will work. While I was typing this I had an idea about how it may work.
I guess I am just going to have to get BC's car down here and see if my idea will work.
Stay tuned
Andy K
I bought your car's younger brother and picked it up last night. It is a 1980 5 speed with 85k mi. It seems solid but has an ugly black paint job.
The best I could tell you about a CIS suprercharger system now is that a CIS project will benefit from the L jet system of the 80-86 cars that I am actively working on. Physically the parts would fit. If I can figure a way to use the CIS to meter air into the the supercharger then the whole system will work. While I was typing this I had an idea about how it may work.
I guess I am just going to have to get BC's car down here and see if my idea will work.
Stay tuned
Andy K
09-06-2005, 01:24 PM
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Boy, this one got dug up out of the archives!
I think Carl at 928motorsports is the only one running a SC on 16V?
http://www.928motorsports.com/
I think Carl at 928motorsports is the only one running a SC on 16V?
http://www.928motorsports.com/
