Notices
928 Forum 1978-1995
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: 928 Specialists

TB tensioner has no oil fill or drain holes

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-13-2020, 12:26 PM
  #1  
scottpeterd
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
scottpeterd's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Uganda, Baltimore, PNW, italy
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default TB tensioner has no oil fill or drain holes

Checking over the engine before we start it up, I noticed that my timing belt tensioner (1979) is not the original. There are no fill or drain holes. Only a tension bolt at the end. As I understand it, this is from a later model.

I had the TB/WP service done 5 years ago in Seattle. Could they have replaced the original with a later model one? Are they interchangeable?

TIA
Old 10-13-2020, 01:10 PM
  #2  
Geza
Pro
 
Geza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 578
Received 82 Likes on 57 Posts
Default

Deleted

Last edited by Geza; 10-13-2020 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Didn't read the question carefully enough
Old 10-13-2020, 02:55 PM
  #3  
gbgastowers
Rennlist Member
 
gbgastowers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Holden Beach and Winston-Salem, North Carolina 82 928 Euro S 5spd MOSS GREEN/CHAMPAGNE-04 996 C4S CONV TIP POLAR SILVER/METROPOL BLUE
Posts: 2,505
Received 299 Likes on 172 Posts
Default

I think the older ones are a sealed system and oil has to be added by taking it apart. No fill or drain holes. My 82 is that way
Old 10-13-2020, 03:19 PM
  #4  
rjtw
Burning Brakes
 
rjtw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Los Altos CA
Posts: 1,009
Received 65 Likes on 51 Posts
Default

Scott,
A photo would be nice so we all know what you're talking about, but I think PET is enough. Download a copy of PET for your car. PET usually has the answers for almost any part-related question!

GBGT above is right. Is the part for -82 what you're seeing? If not then post a picture.

Here's '83 up:



And here's the tensioner for up to 82:

Last edited by rjtw; 10-13-2020 at 04:05 PM.
Old 10-13-2020, 03:56 PM
  #5  
PorKen
Inventor
Rennlist Member

 
PorKen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 10,161
Received 395 Likes on 223 Posts
Default

'83 introduced the HTD round-tooth belt and an updated tensioner.

The tensioner body is drilled so that oil also fills the engine block cavities requiring the oil fill and bleed ports.

The tensioner piston had some bi-metal washers removed to make room for a one-way valve assembly for 'damping' (when cold).

Old 10-13-2020, 05:06 PM
  #6  
FredR
Rennlist Member
 
FredR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Oman
Posts: 9,840
Received 724 Likes on 580 Posts
Default

Whereas it has been ingrained into me not to turn the engine anticlockwise it is the first time I have spotted the comment about how doing so might "destroy" the tensioner. Any thoughts as to how that might conceivably happen?

Last edited by FredR; 10-13-2020 at 05:08 PM.
Old 10-13-2020, 05:53 PM
  #7  
PorKen
Inventor
Rennlist Member

 
PorKen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 10,161
Received 395 Likes on 223 Posts
Default

Normally, the tensioner spring washers act on the belt on the 'loose' side of the crank gear. The 'tight' side is pulled between the crank gear and the cam gears.

Turning the crank CCW would make the 'loose' side 'tight' and could crush/crack the washers (especially when cold)?


Further than this, the unregulated loose belt now on the other side of the crank gear might be able to jump teeth if the belt were not initially tensioned (pre-stretched) properly.
Old 10-13-2020, 11:35 PM
  #8  
scottpeterd
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
scottpeterd's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Uganda, Baltimore, PNW, italy
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

This is what I have



Old 10-13-2020, 11:43 PM
  #9  
linderpat
Rennlist Member
 
linderpat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 14,467
Received 2,375 Likes on 1,288 Posts
Default

You have the correct tensioner for a 79. No fill holes. Same as my 78.
Old 10-14-2020, 12:37 PM
  #10  
Petza914
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Petza914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 25,919
Received 6,520 Likes on 4,154 Posts
Default

Interesting info on the tensioner difference and the CCW engine rotation.

However, why anyone would run the stock tensioner vs a zero maintenance, oilless Porken version, I don't really understand.


The following users liked this post:
928nut (10-14-2020)
Old 10-14-2020, 03:32 PM
  #11  
belgiumbarry
Three Wheelin'
 
belgiumbarry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belgium
Posts: 1,490
Received 248 Likes on 126 Posts
Default

because we are purists ? ......
Old 10-14-2020, 03:43 PM
  #12  
Petza914
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
 
Petza914's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Clemson, SC
Posts: 25,919
Received 6,520 Likes on 4,154 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by belgiumbarry
because we are purists ? ......
Ha ha​​​​​​... says the guy that was going to fit carbs with custom manifolds to his 928.
The following 2 users liked this post by Petza914:
928nut (10-14-2020), belgiumbarry (10-14-2020)
Old 10-14-2020, 04:34 PM
  #13  
belgiumbarry
Three Wheelin'
 
belgiumbarry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Belgium
Posts: 1,490
Received 248 Likes on 126 Posts
Default

was ? ....is ! ....just a matter of time .
More, my white '82 ( visual copy of Carl's car ) already has carbs IDA48 ... must finish that car and dyno tune/test it ! at least it already runs perfect at idle and moving.... pity it is no more "street legal" , only for rallies, ( or track ) ... so i cannot test it on the street ..or risk a big fine.

Old 10-14-2020, 09:32 PM
  #14  
scottpeterd
Instructor
Thread Starter
 
scottpeterd's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Uganda, Baltimore, PNW, italy
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 9 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Petza914
Interesting info on the tensioner difference and the CCW engine rotation.

However, why anyone would run the stock tensioner vs a zero maintenance, oilless Porken version, I don't really understand.

Obviously, our engines are not worthy...



Quick Reply: TB tensioner has no oil fill or drain holes



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 12:26 AM.