GregBBRD

Yes, correct, GTS models with a GTS engine are worth considerably more than a GTS with an S4 engine, when sold.

And the additional torque from the 5.4 makes a pretty big difference, too.

GregBBRD

The last GTS "crate" engine I bought was 30K. It was a very clean used engine, with many things wrong....but it was in a crate.
It cost another 5K to make it run.
I've got a pretty good idea of how much these engines are worth....I spent 3 years looking for the last one I found, before this one.

Alan

I seem to recall that many years ago now Porsche still had new GTS pallet engines (old stock obviously) available and I seem to recall a price of approx $32,000 without shipping. I believe this was an engine bare of all accessories. Given the age even then they would likely have needed some commissioning work.

Your statement that the existing engine is garbage - shows a lack of understanding the value of what you have, and the likely cost to replace the whole thing. I think you need to get a good evaluation of what damage was sustained before you define a plan of attack. It will not be cheap whatever you do

Alan

GregBBRD

I'm assuming that a connecting rod has "left the building" and the entire bottom end of the engine is junk.
Apparently, so many GTS engines "expired" on the high speed European roads that it became common knowledge that the cars would not survive this.
The engines used copious amounts of oil at high rpms, lowering the volume. Then "pack" 3-4 quarts of oil into the heads, with another quart or two held in suspension by windage, all of which ended up causing the oil pickups to be uncovered, resulting in connecting rods being tossed out the sides of the block.
Way too common, from what the Germans tell me.

ptuomov

yes on the first, but no on the latter. In my opinion, it doesn’t take much head scratching or money to beat the GTS engine across the board with a slightly hot rodded 5.0.

IcemanG17

Given you are so far away and the value of 95 GTS with low mileage is very high.....it is in your best interest to ship the car to Greg Brown, have him assess and repair it...then ship it back to you. You can increase displacement and HP by a large margin if wanted as well. All of this will not be cheap, but you will end up with a GTS that will essentially run forever with minimal issues and maintain is high value. At a minimum have an experienced mechanic pull the engine and ship that over.

khalloudy

In all honesty, there are 2 ways to look at this... a GTS engine in a GTS is the proper way to go to keep the car in "factory spec". And in order to keep the car stock, I would even do all possible to rebuild the existing engine (unless its really a write-off) to keep it where it is.

Having said the above, and if the 5.4 is not available, I would definitely consider doing a Precision Motorwerks build where you can get a lot of improvements on an available short block and maybe still save some money. I think this is a better value.

Mark Anderson

I have been offered this 5sp GTS with 58k miles but he wants a lot of money

993turbo

Complete GTS cars can be had for 25k€ up. With a GTS engine inside. Included.

Richard S

But does it have it's jump post cover? If not, hard pass.

Rich

Darklands

My Numbers was Labour, making heads, Pistonrings, bearings, and gaskets and so on. The Customer has the engine. Your Price for the used GTS engine is reasonable. After my experience with my two Parts Engines I know a lot of bores are Toast.

Alan

Run in with baseball bat wielded by unhappy spouse? (probably muttering money pit money pit...) It does look quite rough even ignoring the obvious damage

Alan

GregBBRD

.....Not unless you supercharge it or turbocharge it, right?
And then, you might as well put in a 5.0, 'cause the value of the car just went way down.

I'm a bit surprised about explaining this to you.....
Tesla and GM both make cars.
Tesla's profit (or complete lack thereof) in 2018 and 2019 was negative 1 billion and negative 862 million, respectively.....on 4 billion gross profit in 2019. Look a the price of that stock.
GM's profit was (tough to find their after tax profit), but their gross was 14 billion. And their stock is how much?

If you apply that "logic" (everyone knows there is absolutely no logic there) to S4 versus GTS engines, a used GTS engine should cost about 250K.

GregBBRD

I've got a feeling that those are very "tired cars", However, if they are not, I'd buy every single one of those that you can find....as long if they have zero mileage, freshly rebuilt GB engines in them, which is what I'm offering to the OP.

......Got to always compare apples to apples.....apples to lemons doesn't work, very well.

ptuomov

In my opinion, if you aren’t ever going to sell your “five-speed GTS with a broken engine” and are just going to enjoy driving it until the end of time, storing the broken engine and dropping in a slightly hot rodded 5.0L engine makes the most sense from fun per buck perspective.

By a slightly hot rodded 5.0L engine, I mean slight intake manifold modifications, higher compression, custom cams, headers plus exhaust modifications, complete retune with the most recent JDS tools, and modest reliability enhancements in the oiling system.

In my opinion, that’s going to drive better (while sounding better) than the factory-botched 8% displacement increase also known as “GTS engine”.

In terms of market prices for cars and stocks, they are what they are and one usually doesn’t make any money in cars or stocks by tilting against the windmills based on any sort of fundamentalist views on fundamentals. The above is entirely about what’s in my opinion the most fun to drive per buck, not what will produce the best resale value.