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12-06-2019, 01:07 AM
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There was a very dark time in 928 ownership from the late 90's I'd say until about 2010 where there were very few options for getting your 928 repaired unless you did it yourself. At one point, many Porsche dealers would not even work on them. Many horror stories of independent 911 shops taking a crack at 928 repair and failing miserably and charging through the roof to do it. The vendors and the well spring of knowledge here, and a lot of the personalities, many of whom are no longer with us, really set the tone for this forum during that time. We had to do it all "ourselves", learning how to repair, how to fab parts, or source them from other makes. I can remember when all of the major vendors on the rennlist (except Mark Anderson, I think he took on 928 International back on the Porsche Fans list, which was before my time), but for the most part everyone else, were just enthusiasts here that took their enthusiasm to the next level and started up what were originally just cottage industries - providing services or access to parts because Porsche wasn't providing either - to keep our 928s alive. Its much different now, with dealers willing to work on the 928, many knowledgeable independent 928 mechanics, and the easy availability of parts. Roger in particular has tirelessly sought out sources for "it's NLA - you're #$%^ed" parts.
Raise a glass to this forum, it truly is awesome in what it has done in the furtherance of the 928.
Raise a glass to this forum, it truly is awesome in what it has done in the furtherance of the 928.
I was on PorscheFans in the 90s right after buying my '91 GT. I quickly realized the 'reality' of owning my 'dream.' Then I conducted an experiment with the shop that had recently done my wp/tb and 30k maintenance. The experiment was one 30-second phone call. The shop failed the experiment. I considered for a few minutes this corroborating proof that I would not be able to get the quality of service for which I was willing and able to pay. Then I picked up the phone, called Mark at 928 International and ordered the shop manuals.
Oh, and Adam, your time wasn't too long after Porschefans. I remember that - in those dark days - you did me the favor of looking over a for-sale 928 for me. An '89 5-speed if memory serves.
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12-06-2019, 05:36 PM
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Like more than a few of the longer-time owners here, PorscheList, PorscheFans are in my history, and now Rennlist. Before the web-based stuff we had 928 Usenet user groups, and some mailing list servers. I can remember well the fun of reading the daily compilation of mailing-list posts and replies. Some signed up for immediate message forwarding, something that seemed like an colossal time muncher. At no time in any of those was there any of the sniping and trolling that seem to be the scourge of so many car forums. The mature 928 discussion protocols have been developed over decades of user interaction, and for those who arrive with a harsh agenda seem to leave with it or lose it.
Know that this level of discussion and support we enjoy is not universal even on Rennlist. Dip your mouse into some of the other model forums and find a different level of civility. The casual sniping and trolling in some other groups is a stark contrast to what we enjoy in our little 928 corner. Egos and personal competitive posts seem common in some of the newest-model forums, particularly for models still under warranty. With nothing seriously technical to share in the "technical" forums, it's down to "mine's bigger" and the related permutations.
Mark Anderson has been a stellar supporter of the brand since I first considered the 928 purchase option. I lived between 20 minutes and an hour from 928 International then, and knowing the level of parts and support knowledge available there was a key part of the purchase decision. The casual advice from Jim Bailey, both in the forum and in person at 928 International, was a huge plus. I remember when Dave & Jeannie started up 928 Specialists, and some upstart Brit in Texas appeared. Marc and Susan at Devek, the Motorsports SLC crew, Rich Andrade in Phoenix, Greg Brown, and a handful of other resources have played critical parts in my own ownership experience.
It really does take a village. "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." Applies to our level of group support. (also to toilet paper...
) Cherish and nurture the knowledge and support we enjoy. Don't take it for granted.
Know that this level of discussion and support we enjoy is not universal even on Rennlist. Dip your mouse into some of the other model forums and find a different level of civility. The casual sniping and trolling in some other groups is a stark contrast to what we enjoy in our little 928 corner. Egos and personal competitive posts seem common in some of the newest-model forums, particularly for models still under warranty. With nothing seriously technical to share in the "technical" forums, it's down to "mine's bigger" and the related permutations.
Mark Anderson has been a stellar supporter of the brand since I first considered the 928 purchase option. I lived between 20 minutes and an hour from 928 International then, and knowing the level of parts and support knowledge available there was a key part of the purchase decision. The casual advice from Jim Bailey, both in the forum and in person at 928 International, was a huge plus. I remember when Dave & Jeannie started up 928 Specialists, and some upstart Brit in Texas appeared. Marc and Susan at Devek, the Motorsports SLC crew, Rich Andrade in Phoenix, Greg Brown, and a handful of other resources have played critical parts in my own ownership experience.
It really does take a village. "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." Applies to our level of group support. (also to toilet paper...
) Cherish and nurture the knowledge and support we enjoy. Don't take it for granted.
12-06-2019, 06:31 PM
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No doubt, da best car forum!
12-06-2019, 07:10 PM
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It's all true. I thank everyone who has helped me with my car these last five years. The 928 has literally changed my life, or rather, the owners of 928s on this forum.
I may have missed it, but Dwayne deserves a big mention - tutorials with hundreds of photos are very important to neophyte mechanics like me.
I may have missed it, but Dwayne deserves a big mention - tutorials with hundreds of photos are very important to neophyte mechanics like me.
12-06-2019, 07:27 PM
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No doubt that this is the forum that propelled me to dive into the world of my childhood dream that was the Porsche 928. I remember coming to America and reading only Road & Track due to illiteracy and dreaming that if I can own a Porsche, then my American Dream will come true!
The amount of knowledge one can gain by searching here, and of course, the generosity of the people that make this forum are shown in multiple times with advice and time.
Thank you Rennlist members/friends.
Hoi
The amount of knowledge one can gain by searching here, and of course, the generosity of the people that make this forum are shown in multiple times with advice and time.
Thank you Rennlist members/friends.
Hoi
12-06-2019, 10:24 PM
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I'm not a frequent poster at .33 posts per day over 9 1/2 years, but I have tried to be more involved lately. I love this forum. Just like so many other members, my ownership experiences have been much more successful for having the benefit of Rennlist as a resource.
12-07-2019, 12:13 PM
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12-07-2019, 12:40 PM
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This forum allows anyone with a moderate budget and who is mechanically inclined (not a mechanic) to own a 928 and continue to enjoy it. As suggested earlier the 928 may not have become desirable again without the internet and particularly this forum. 928s would have gone wherever they go to die. No 928 market. I think the main thing this forum accomplished was dissolving the myth that a 928 is unreliable and too complex and expensive to own. The high parts prices are a given for all Porsches so this is not a singular issue for 928 ownership - but so many NLA parts is a big hurdle. Thankfully, the creative and talented vendors who are also 928 enthusiasts arrived to save the 928 and grow the hobby. Porsche only recently noticed their black sheep was well loved and possibly more popular today.
12-07-2019, 04:55 PM
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That as I have had to deal with other forums, I again have realized the greatness of this community and the sort of people that MOST of us are. To be able to have the depth of knowledge in one place and have those people be HELPFUL, and be able to communicate is a unique thing that sometimes we may not fully realize and should be grateful for.
Mercedes, Chevy, BMW - few and far between in the last several years as I branched out have I seen similar. Let me reinact for you:
Mercedes, Chevy, BMW - few and far between in the last several years as I branched out have I seen similar. Let me reinact for you:
Over the years, which have been around 25 of the past, I've been on many forums. None have been as overall helpful as this one.
All forums have cliques from the embedded "regulars" feeling like their posts are of more value or carry more weight than others (to which I've seen to a lesser extent here, but still visible at times), this forum is really good. The tech side/aspects make it even better.
The worst forum I've even been involved with have been related to the 5th Generation Camaro. Glad I sold that car and moved on from ever needing to visit that site. It was like the four mods and owner liked the drama.
Anyways, this site has been a gem, and really helped with the ownership experience. That's my 2c worth on the subject.
12-08-2019, 09:20 AM
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There is ZERO and I mean ZERO chance that I would attempt to maintain my small collection of 928's without this forum...
I live 200 + miles from the nearest mechanic I could/would trust with one of my cars. It's on me when it comes to maintenance... In emergencies or for big, heavy lifting projects I can call on Dave K or even Hans might be able to come up and help with adequate scheduling. The only way I would have found and gotten to know them is with this forum!
Dave C. commented on the "Dark Period" in the 90's when you could not get your 928 serviced properly and the 928 was loathed by dealers. It is true! Even though I loved the 928 I continued to drive 911's back then because I could get them serviced. Then out of nowhere, in a tiny old 911 racing garage (formerly owned by the legendary Rusty Bond) in Jensen Beach, Florida appeared Andrew aka "drooman". Andrew loves 928's even more than I do (and that's a lot). An immediate friendship was forged and "presto".I could own a 928 and get it serviced. Not only that, he let me learn enough to stop being intimidated by the cars supposed complexity. Now I can not only take them apart - I can get them back together!
Of course life has it's path and we now live so far apart that we only see each other at 928 events...
bummer.
928's have brought many things into my life... My wife's comment to me before our first date was "Bring your Porsche". I tested her by bringing the 928 instead of a 911... And we fell in love right in that car...
This forum is simply part of the fabric of my, and I suspect, many of our lives...
Thanks to all of you, it works!
I live 200 + miles from the nearest mechanic I could/would trust with one of my cars. It's on me when it comes to maintenance... In emergencies or for big, heavy lifting projects I can call on Dave K or even Hans might be able to come up and help with adequate scheduling. The only way I would have found and gotten to know them is with this forum!
Dave C. commented on the "Dark Period" in the 90's when you could not get your 928 serviced properly and the 928 was loathed by dealers. It is true! Even though I loved the 928 I continued to drive 911's back then because I could get them serviced. Then out of nowhere, in a tiny old 911 racing garage (formerly owned by the legendary Rusty Bond) in Jensen Beach, Florida appeared Andrew aka "drooman". Andrew loves 928's even more than I do (and that's a lot). An immediate friendship was forged and "presto".I could own a 928 and get it serviced. Not only that, he let me learn enough to stop being intimidated by the cars supposed complexity. Now I can not only take them apart - I can get them back together!
Of course life has it's path and we now live so far apart that we only see each other at 928 events...
bummer.928's have brought many things into my life... My wife's comment to me before our first date was "Bring your Porsche". I tested her by bringing the 928 instead of a 911... And we fell in love right in that car...
This forum is simply part of the fabric of my, and I suspect, many of our lives...
Thanks to all of you, it works!
12-08-2019, 12:05 PM
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Just plain exceptional place.
Kudos also to whatever project that collected the documents & whoever had involvement creating that CD set. Whoa. Talk about important info.
Kudos also to whatever project that collected the documents & whoever had involvement creating that CD set. Whoa. Talk about important info.
12-09-2019, 12:52 PM
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The Morehouse CD set was certainly a labor of love and dedication. Jim spent over a year gathering and scanning tech manuals and other docs for the set. The WSM scans were done "professionally" since he didn't have a sheet scanner available for the bigger-than-letter pages. Many in possession of the pieces that went into the project entrusted them to Jim for inclusion. If you've played with some of the other "free" scanned WSM copies, you can see that they are poorer, or are blatant rip-offs of Jim's efforts. It also took a year to get tacit (only) permission to copy and share the WSM. Lots of effort went into stuff like this that we too often take for granted.
12-10-2019, 05:55 PM
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I agree with everything said! I recently bought a VW GTI for my son and went out the mark V forum. It's filled with "Dude", "where's my turbo" and "how big of a cold air intake can i get". Uggh. Also been scouting the R8 forum. It's mostly things like, "should I cover my car at work" or "what protection insurance should I buy"....LOL