Which route for more power?
#31
Burning Brakes
Here's a thought.... It's time to just leave these cars alone and preserve them. Even with major high dollar mods they are not competitive, reliable, serviceable or safer than modern cars. Modern examples can often be purchased that are 3 to 5 years old for less than the cost of mods alone.
Case in point... Cars like the CTS-V. A Stylish coupe that make 600 HP with basic mods and has real successful racing history. Used around 30k and a TR-6060 available if you want one. Enjoy it for a few yeas and sell it on for about what you paid. 75% of the dollars you put in a 928 turbo, stroker, super charger will never be recovered and the car will own you instead.
Life is short, time is money, plan accordingly.
Case in point... Cars like the CTS-V. A Stylish coupe that make 600 HP with basic mods and has real successful racing history. Used around 30k and a TR-6060 available if you want one. Enjoy it for a few yeas and sell it on for about what you paid. 75% of the dollars you put in a 928 turbo, stroker, super charger will never be recovered and the car will own you instead.
Life is short, time is money, plan accordingly.
#32
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
The 928 is what I'm on this forum to discuss. And I started this thread to discuss enhancements to the 928's powerplant. I enjoy little projects like this. It's part of how I enjoy life. It's not everyone's cup of tea. Just as a CTS-V is not my cup of tea.
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I would opine that it is a very complete definition. Not sure where the term Hewland fits in other than they made what was purported to be the first racing transaxle in the late 50's only to be informed that certain Herr Ferdinand Porsche did something similar in 1933.
Your comments and those of Jeff [Speedtoys] although contradicting each other were both very interesting albeit somewhat off topic- the subject matter might make an interesting thread in its own right.
#35
Developer
Your comments and those of Jeff [Speedtoys] although contradicting each other were both very interesting albeit somewhat off topic- the subject matter might make an interesting thread in its own right.
#36
RL Community Team
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Here's a thought.... It's time to just leave these cars alone and preserve them. Even with major high dollar mods they are not competitive, reliable, serviceable or safer than modern cars. Modern examples can often be purchased that are 3 to 5 years old for less than the cost of mods alone.
Case in point... Cars like the CTS-V. A Stylish coupe that make 600 HP with basic mods and has real successful racing history. Used around 30k and a TR-6060 available if you want one. Enjoy it for a few yeas and sell it on for about what you paid. 75% of the dollars you put in a 928 turbo, stroker, super charger will never be recovered and the car will own you instead.
Life is short, time is money, plan accordingly.
Case in point... Cars like the CTS-V. A Stylish coupe that make 600 HP with basic mods and has real successful racing history. Used around 30k and a TR-6060 available if you want one. Enjoy it for a few yeas and sell it on for about what you paid. 75% of the dollars you put in a 928 turbo, stroker, super charger will never be recovered and the car will own you instead.
Life is short, time is money, plan accordingly.
I have no interest in a Cadillac CTS-V, or frankly any car newer than my 2009 Cayenne Turbo S - (yes, I destroyed that one with mods I like too). Don't really care if a CTS or new Camaro, or newer Mustang can run circles around my 928 or not. I can look 100 yards in any direction and see 5 of those - how many 928 convertibles do you see in 100 miles...
...that's what I thought...and that's what's cool, at least to me, which is really the only person I'm trying to please.
#37
Developer
Those road trips with a son or daughter are wonderful. I have had more than one with each of my boys, and one with my daughter. Memories forever! Great bonding experience. In one, my oldest son and I flew to Coral Gables FL to drive our eBay purchase, a 1978 928, home. I still have it. Its the race car. So many stories of what we had to do to get that car to make it home. It did. In another, my son and I drove his BMW to Daytona, had a track weekend and drove it home - without incident. Whew! All good stuff.
#38
Nordschleife Master
You really should contact MURF and get a system off of him if you’re looking for bolt on and ready to go with an easy install.
None of the ones you list are bolt on and go. All of them require extensive extra work. The latter two require some sharktuning. The first requires a complete brain change and that is anything but straight forward.
None of the ones you list are bolt on and go. All of them require extensive extra work. The latter two require some sharktuning. The first requires a complete brain change and that is anything but straight forward.
#39
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Pete, I agree with you. It's the journey in life that is enjoyable. Which is why I prefer to modify or build just about everything that I own. Car or otherwise. It's not everyone's idea of fun, but it's mine.
I thought that the Murf systems were no longer available. Am I mistaken?
I thought that the Murf systems were no longer available. Am I mistaken?
#40
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Tim Murphy, myself, Mike Schmidt (aka Z), and Twin Turbo Todd focused on the improving the kit, support etc... and took care of shipping and inventory.
Todd was responsible for some of the manufacturing too. It was just easier to have him weld up a lot of the parts versus trying to have them manufactured.
The original agreement between Tim and Carl was 928 Motorsports would supply their own kit for the 16 valve cars, and the 32 valve cars would be the Murf928 kit.
That worked out great for years.
Somewhere along the line Carl decided to break that agreement and started to produce and sell his own 32 valve kit and dropped the Murf928 product from his website.
Tim never did anything to break this agreement so needless to say this came as quite a surprise. At the time Tim was going through some personal issues and didn't have the time to pick the torch back up so things appeared to fall by the wayside. A few kits were still sold directly from Tim, but family comes first and he simply ran out of time to do everything and I could only be of so much help.
Fast forward to today, I'm working on making a Murf928 kit for my 87, and my goal was is to make enough parts for 5.
I already have the machine shop lined up and Todd has agreed to do whatever is necessary to help out.
I'm in constant contact with Tim and have been part of the Murf928 product since day one. He lives maybe 15 miles from me.
The goal was to have all of this completed last spring, but a deer hitting my 80 and setbacks with other projects got in the way.
The Murf928 Stage III is a tried and proven turn key way to have 500rwhp with a 32V 928. The kit could make more, in fact Tim's personal car made over 550rwhp but Tim was never interested in selling a kit that produced more power. That was his own personal decision based on various cars we built and drove.
Seeing what Todd all had to do with his car to put the power to the ground.........I tend to agree with him.
Originally Posted by Swabar
The software/tuning is EQUALLY important to the hardware itself
#41
Long story short, at one time, 928 Motorsports became the marketing / sales arm for Murf928.
Tim Murphy, myself, Mike Schmidt (aka Z), and Twin Turbo Todd focused on the improving the kit, support etc... and took care of shipping and inventory.
Todd was responsible for some of the manufacturing too. It was just easier to have him weld up a lot of the parts versus trying to have them manufactured.
The original agreement between Tim and Carl was 928 Motorsports would supply their own kit for the 16 valve cars, and the 32 valve cars would be the Murf928 kit.
That worked out great for years.
Somewhere along the line Carl decided to break that agreement and started to produce and sell his own 32 valve kit and dropped the Murf928 product from his website.
Tim never did anything to break this agreement so needless to say this came as quite a surprise. At the time Tim was going through some personal issues and didn't have the time to pick the torch back up so things appeared to fall by the wayside. A few kits were still sold directly from Tim, but family comes first and he simply ran out of time to do everything and I could only be of so much help.
Fast forward to today, I'm working on making a Murf928 kit for my 87, and my goal was is to make enough parts for 5.
I already have the machine shop lined up and Todd has agreed to do whatever is necessary to help out.
I'm in constant contact with Tim and have been part of the Murf928 product since day one. He lives maybe 15 miles from me.
The goal was to have all of this completed last spring, but a deer hitting my 80 and setbacks with other projects got in the way.
The Murf928 Stage III is a tried and proven turn key way to have 500rwhp with a 32V 928. The kit could make more, in fact Tim's personal car made over 550rwhp but Tim was never interested in selling a kit that produced more power. That was his own personal decision based on various cars we built and drove.
Seeing what Todd all had to do with his car to put the power to the ground.........I tend to agree with him.
Absolutely, and the person who does the tuning for the Murf928 setup is Luke Stubbs at Beyond Redline, the same person who helps Twin Turbo Todd tune his car. He's a world class tuner who fly's all around the country tuning engines that make even Todd's 1,000+hp 928 looks mundane. We are really fortunate to have him local and I'm not sure I would be bothering to supercharge any of my cars without him.
Tim Murphy, myself, Mike Schmidt (aka Z), and Twin Turbo Todd focused on the improving the kit, support etc... and took care of shipping and inventory.
Todd was responsible for some of the manufacturing too. It was just easier to have him weld up a lot of the parts versus trying to have them manufactured.
The original agreement between Tim and Carl was 928 Motorsports would supply their own kit for the 16 valve cars, and the 32 valve cars would be the Murf928 kit.
That worked out great for years.
Somewhere along the line Carl decided to break that agreement and started to produce and sell his own 32 valve kit and dropped the Murf928 product from his website.
Tim never did anything to break this agreement so needless to say this came as quite a surprise. At the time Tim was going through some personal issues and didn't have the time to pick the torch back up so things appeared to fall by the wayside. A few kits were still sold directly from Tim, but family comes first and he simply ran out of time to do everything and I could only be of so much help.
Fast forward to today, I'm working on making a Murf928 kit for my 87, and my goal was is to make enough parts for 5.
I already have the machine shop lined up and Todd has agreed to do whatever is necessary to help out.
I'm in constant contact with Tim and have been part of the Murf928 product since day one. He lives maybe 15 miles from me.
The goal was to have all of this completed last spring, but a deer hitting my 80 and setbacks with other projects got in the way.
The Murf928 Stage III is a tried and proven turn key way to have 500rwhp with a 32V 928. The kit could make more, in fact Tim's personal car made over 550rwhp but Tim was never interested in selling a kit that produced more power. That was his own personal decision based on various cars we built and drove.
Seeing what Todd all had to do with his car to put the power to the ground.........I tend to agree with him.
Absolutely, and the person who does the tuning for the Murf928 setup is Luke Stubbs at Beyond Redline, the same person who helps Twin Turbo Todd tune his car. He's a world class tuner who fly's all around the country tuning engines that make even Todd's 1,000+hp 928 looks mundane. We are really fortunate to have him local and I'm not sure I would be bothering to supercharge any of my cars without him.
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#43
Nordschleife Master
#44
Developer
The original agreement between Tim and Carl was 928 Motorsports would supply their own kit for the 16 valve cars, and the 32 valve cars would be the Murf928 kit.
That worked out great for years. Somewhere along the line Carl decided to break that agreement and started to produce and sell his own 32 valve kit and dropped the Murf928 product from his website.
Tim never did anything to break this agreement so needless to say this came as quite a surprise. At the time Tim was going through some personal issues and didn't have the time to pick the torch back up so things appeared to fall by the wayside. A few kits were still sold directly from Tim, but family comes first and he simply ran out of time to do everything and I could only be of so much help.
Fast forward to today, I'm working on making a Murf928 kit for my 87, and my goal was is to make enough parts for 5.
I already have the machine shop lined up and Todd has agreed to do whatever is necessary to help out.
I'm in constant contact with Tim and have been part of the Murf928 product since day one. He lives maybe 15 miles from me.
The goal was to have all of this completed last spring, but a deer hitting my 80 and setbacks with other projects got in the way.
The Murf928 Stage III is a tried and proven turn key way to have 500rwhp with a 32V 928. The kit could make more, in fact Tim's personal car made over 550rwhp but Tim was never interested in selling a kit that produced more power. That was his own personal decision based on various cars we built and drove.
Seeing what Todd all had to do with his car to put the power to the ground.........I tend to agree with him.
That worked out great for years. Somewhere along the line Carl decided to break that agreement and started to produce and sell his own 32 valve kit and dropped the Murf928 product from his website.
Tim never did anything to break this agreement so needless to say this came as quite a surprise. At the time Tim was going through some personal issues and didn't have the time to pick the torch back up so things appeared to fall by the wayside. A few kits were still sold directly from Tim, but family comes first and he simply ran out of time to do everything and I could only be of so much help.
Fast forward to today, I'm working on making a Murf928 kit for my 87, and my goal was is to make enough parts for 5.
I already have the machine shop lined up and Todd has agreed to do whatever is necessary to help out.
I'm in constant contact with Tim and have been part of the Murf928 product since day one. He lives maybe 15 miles from me.
The goal was to have all of this completed last spring, but a deer hitting my 80 and setbacks with other projects got in the way.
The Murf928 Stage III is a tried and proven turn key way to have 500rwhp with a 32V 928. The kit could make more, in fact Tim's personal car made over 550rwhp but Tim was never interested in selling a kit that produced more power. That was his own personal decision based on various cars we built and drove.
Seeing what Todd all had to do with his car to put the power to the ground.........I tend to agree with him.
So - I'd like to talk about only the supercharger kits, and not the people.
I will respond to the concept of 1) mailing a chip with the supercharger kit and calling that a "tune", and 2) the limitations of Sharktuning, especially where boosted applications are concerned. Right now, I have paying customers in the shop. I have to put them first at the moment, I hope to respond to this post tomorrow.
I would like Erik to tell us what has been done to solve the overheating problem caused by the MURF cold air intake blocking the radiator. The earlier solutions for this problem were just throwing more fans at the problem, which resulted in alternator failures, upgrades and melted wiring harnesses (ask me how I know!) and more than a few blown head gaskets caused by the overheating. I hope they have re-engineered and have that problem solved.
#45
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Just out of curiosity, are the S3 kits not part of this revival? Or can the kit be ordered in either S3 or S4+ configuration?