The demise of 9288200143
03-01-2023, 04:41 PM
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03-02-2023, 07:45 AM
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03-02-2023, 04:20 PM
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03-02-2023, 04:44 PM
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9288100108 is a very early production car, and there was a change in the ignition cylinder pretty early on. When the key is out of the ignition cylinder, does the top of the slot point to 11 o'clock, or 12 o'clock?
03-02-2023, 05:37 PM
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03-02-2023, 07:20 PM
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I was shocked how early the vin was. This is the 98th production 928 from my understanding. Not much history on the car but I was told it was parked around 2001 when a previous owner replaced/tried to replace the ignition cylinder. The top of this cylinder points more towards 10-11 o’clock.
03-02-2023, 07:32 PM
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03-03-2023, 12:05 AM
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9288100108 is production #112, indeed a very early car.
A couple of early cars I know that had the vertical lock cylinder are 9288200016 and 928820021, which were production #s 61 and 99, so either the change from the vertical ignition cylinder to the "11 o'clock" lock cylinder
#1: Changed between 9288200021 and 9288100108, or
#2 9288100108 has already been switched to the later lock cylinder previously. Does the ignition lock cylinder in the car look like it has never been messed with, or are there signs it's been drilled out before? Up on top of the steering column arm there's a ~3mm pin that holds the cylinder in- has it been messed with/drilled out before?
Regardless of all of the above, the fact that you have the 'later' lock cylinder is good, as it means that you can get any later ignition cylinder and re-pin it to work with your key, and you won't have to worry about the different cam and pieces behind the cylinder in the steering column.
A couple of early cars I know that had the vertical lock cylinder are 9288200016 and 928820021, which were production #s 61 and 99, so either the change from the vertical ignition cylinder to the "11 o'clock" lock cylinder
#1: Changed between 9288200021 and 9288100108, or
#2 9288100108 has already been switched to the later lock cylinder previously. Does the ignition lock cylinder in the car look like it has never been messed with, or are there signs it's been drilled out before? Up on top of the steering column arm there's a ~3mm pin that holds the cylinder in- has it been messed with/drilled out before?
Regardless of all of the above, the fact that you have the 'later' lock cylinder is good, as it means that you can get any later ignition cylinder and re-pin it to work with your key, and you won't have to worry about the different cam and pieces behind the cylinder in the steering column.
03-03-2023, 03:33 AM
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9288100108 is production #112, indeed a very early car.
A couple of early cars I know that had the vertical lock cylinder are 9288200016 and 928820021, which were production #s 61 and 99, so either the change from the vertical ignition cylinder to the "11 o'clock" lock cylinder
#1: Changed between 9288200021 and 9288100108, or
#2 9288100108 has already been switched to the later lock cylinder previously. Does the ignition lock cylinder in the car look like it has never been messed with, or are there signs it's been drilled out before? Up on top of the steering column arm there's a ~3mm pin that holds the cylinder in- has it been messed with/drilled out before?
Regardless of all of the above, the fact that you have the 'later' lock cylinder is good, as it means that you can get any later ignition cylinder and re-pin it to work with your key, and you won't have to worry about the different cam and pieces behind the cylinder in the steering column.
A couple of early cars I know that had the vertical lock cylinder are 9288200016 and 928820021, which were production #s 61 and 99, so either the change from the vertical ignition cylinder to the "11 o'clock" lock cylinder
#1: Changed between 9288200021 and 9288100108, or
#2 9288100108 has already been switched to the later lock cylinder previously. Does the ignition lock cylinder in the car look like it has never been messed with, or are there signs it's been drilled out before? Up on top of the steering column arm there's a ~3mm pin that holds the cylinder in- has it been messed with/drilled out before?
Regardless of all of the above, the fact that you have the 'later' lock cylinder is good, as it means that you can get any later ignition cylinder and re-pin it to work with your key, and you won't have to worry about the different cam and pieces behind the cylinder in the steering column.
So to answer your question, yes. It’s been tampered with 😅
03-03-2023, 01:36 PM
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The relationship between US and ROW VINs and their production numbers has been a bit of a mystery to me, and it still kind of is- When was the production number generated, and once the car was in production, how early along the line did it get its VIN?
It would be super helpful to understand what the factory ordering and production workflow was , and when a chassis got its production number, its VIN assigned, and attached to the body.
The production number got stamped on the body before it got painted, I assume (but don't know) that the VIN number on the right front wheelhousing got stamped before paint, not sure. You'd think the body stamp, VIN plate (A pillar or front cowl) and the door jamb sticker would all go on at the same time, to minimize clerical errors).
I do know that the relationship between production number and US vs. Euro VIN is a crazy quilt- the sequence of US vs. ROW VINs coming off the line (if indeed the cars came off the line in order by production number...) was seemingly random and there are higher # VINs with lower production numbers, so it's all over the place.
Lots of mysteries, not enough facts. I should go poke around Rennlist or Early 911S registry, maybe there are anoraks out there that know what Porsche was doing in this regard for 911s or other series.
It would be super helpful to understand what the factory ordering and production workflow was , and when a chassis got its production number, its VIN assigned, and attached to the body.
The production number got stamped on the body before it got painted, I assume (but don't know) that the VIN number on the right front wheelhousing got stamped before paint, not sure. You'd think the body stamp, VIN plate (A pillar or front cowl) and the door jamb sticker would all go on at the same time, to minimize clerical errors).
I do know that the relationship between production number and US vs. Euro VIN is a crazy quilt- the sequence of US vs. ROW VINs coming off the line (if indeed the cars came off the line in order by production number...) was seemingly random and there are higher # VINs with lower production numbers, so it's all over the place.
Lots of mysteries, not enough facts. I should go poke around Rennlist or Early 911S registry, maybe there are anoraks out there that know what Porsche was doing in this regard for 911s or other series.
