CSM Performance

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From the start we set out to create a product to give racers a reliable, robust system to align their race car at home or even the paddock. We believe you shouldn’t need to spend a fortune to precisely align your car or even need to go to a professional shop. We worked with numerous racers, engineers, and mechanics from which we are proud to present our Precision Hub Stands. Made with 6061-T6 aluminum and hardened steel components our system has a stout frame system. We then utilize high grade Made in USA ball rollers and hardened steel pivot bolts to create an extremely low friction surface for caster, camber, and toe measurements; virtually eliminating all resistance that a tire presents. Turn Plates and rolling your vehicle back and forth with every alignment change is a thing of the past! Each Precision Hub Stand is capable of supporting 1000 lbs or up to 1250 lbs depending on the selected option. Adjustable in 1/4″ radial height increments they accurately represent the tire height of almost any sports or race car in the world. Precisely mounted Toe Bars allow for incredibly accurate toe measurements! With rare earth magnets on every Toe Bar you don’t have to worry about the tape measure coming off either. Using threaded feet the Hub Stands can be held in place when needed as well. When it comes to Hub Stands, no other company offers the smoothness of numerous ball rollers, the weight capacity, or the caster/camber abilities.

What’s Included:

Four (4) Precision Hub Stands adjustable from 11.50″ to 15.50″ radial height with your lug pattern of choice*
Four (4) 24” Toe Bars with spacers and attached magnets

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Speedtoys

You cannot align a 928 on these.

CSM Performance

Thanks for the reply! Would you be willing to go into depth as to the reasoning?

Thanks!
Colton@CSM Performance LLC

Speedtoys

https://members.rennlist.com/captear...hydifshop.html

The "rise" is at least 1" as noted here, but can be 2 or more when doing work beyond just raising the car up.

Slick stands tho..

CSM Performance

That's pretty interesting, never ran across something like that before! Reminds me of the VW beetle with Swing Axle after jacking it up. Is it possible to jack it up by the control arms themselves so you won't effect the suspension position as badly? Just a thought!

Thanks!
Colton@CSM Performance LLC

Speedtoys

Changes the leverage arm.

James Bailey

Porsche had a factory tool which allowed them to pull the car down to the correct ride height after lifting so the alignment would be accurate. As noted not possible to lift on the a-arm since 928 wheels sit so far in.

CSM Performance

Makes sense! Is the tool: Porsche Tool 10-222A? Definitely makes aligning these a pain. I'd love to look at one and see if there would be a way to pull it down with an attachment on the Hub Stands. Thanks for the input and the information!

Colton @ CSM Performance LLC

hacker-pschorr

Sure you can. Even with these I'd still use my 4-post lift to do the alignment and then it would be rather easy to pull down the nose as the WSM described.

Not much different than doing it on a full alignment rig like I've done before.

I'm sure if CSM is serious about this product for the 928 community they could come up with something incorporating a pull down loop or so on the base.

CSM Performance

We would be interested in making a system for the 928. We just need access to a vehicle to take measurements and get a look at it to see if it's possible. Our advertising campaign with Rennlist ends in about a week so once that happens, we're more than happy to continue working on this through Email: Colton@CSMPerformance.com

Thanks!
Colton @ CSM Performance LLC

dr bob

The places where you pull the car down are at the forward end of the front bushings on the lower control arms, at the tie-down eyes. My eyeballs-and-tape-measure measurement shows that the eye is about 19" forward of the hub center, making it virtually impossible to pull vertically from a hub-stand attachment without a significant overturning force added to the base of each stand. This system works well on a 4-post ramp where you can add a couple turnbuckles to the ramps for the pull-down duty. Having the hubs in the stands makes the final height determination a little tougher, with a determination taking a few lift steps and measurements. For those with cars that ride lower than stock, a height error of half an inch is easily enough to booger the toe measurement; not much room for error really.

Hub stands certainly have their uses but, at least for the 928, wheel alignment probably isn't a good one.

Speedtoys

You could align it on anything, if the time money effort and headache were worth it.

Or just know a guy with a rack you trust or friends with..

CSM Performance

Thanks for the estimated measurements! At ~19" forward and not much more for height that makes it rather difficult and relates to large force needed to compensate for the angle of the force vector from tie-down to hub stand. Has anyone tried limiting the suspension in place to not let it travel downwards so you can jack it up without worrying about messing up the ride height? Something similar was done with VW Bugs and torsion bars. They used chains and bolts but I'm sure there a more ...elegant... solution.

Much Appreciated!
Colton@CSM Performance LLC

dr bob

I don't think there's an easy way to limit suspension travel without raising the car and removing the wheels. Kind of obviates the process really. I can't think of any way to pre-load the front suspension even with wheels off. There's really not enough room under the lower balljoint to make a control-arm jack on ball rollers that lifts from there, well inside an installed wheel. Effort for that would exceed any possible benefit available for aligning on a hub stand.

Those swing-axle travel limiters were GM's "solution" to the Corvair's handling ills, as highlighted in R. Nader's "Unsafe At Any Speed" thriller. R. Nader hadn't bothered to ride in a pre-'68 beetle, bus or Karmann Ghia, pre-'66 Porsche, or any of several other IRS cars of that and prior generations. All of those were hardly safer in a similar situation, yet somehow escaped his wrath. I daresay there were more Beetles and buses sold before the first Corvair than there were Corvairs sold throughout their whole production run, making one wonder at his motivation to vilify GM.