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Old 11-01-2018, 02:50 PM
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Hack,

Thanks for bumping this thread.

I am having all of the extinguishers serviced at our homes and the car cave (Zoo) on Monday. I will talk to the service technician about these devices and try to buy a few.

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The only time I ever had a fire in a 928 all I had on hand was half a can of Diet Coke. Happily it did the trick! This would be a pretty big step up.
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:30 AM
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I sincerely hope that nobody here has the misfortune of being able to report back on exactly how well these work...
But they do make good X-Mas gifts for loved ones.. Lol
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by vanster View Post

We did not open the hood until the fire was out. The foam you see was to put out the fire under the car as the airbox had melted and was a lump of burning plastic.
still hard to believe it's the same car after the 1st class restoration/upgrades
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Where is everyone getting them from? $80/each for the small and $120 for the large?
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Old 11-02-2018, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hlee96 View Post
Where is everyone getting them from? $80/each for the small and $120 for the large?
I got mine from https://elementfire.com/pages/faqs

Here is a link to a pdf fact sheet with details on how they work - the chemistry.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/30...67154874779486
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Old 11-03-2018, 07:22 AM
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Thanks Jan for the links.

I really need something like this in the car.
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Old 11-03-2018, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bertrand Daoust View Post
Thanks Jan for the links.

I really need something like this in the car.
You're welcome Bertrand, this is a neat product. Funny thing is, it is a Toronto based company that imports these from Italy, I believe. Ironically, we have to buy them with Trump $$$ There was no option to pay with our Canadian Pesos, go figure.
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as per hacker suggestion on roger's engine fire post, BUMP. cheap insurance @ 80.
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Old 12-18-2018, 01:50 PM
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Great find Erik the demo video's are impressive. Just ordered a couple e50's here: https://elementfire.com/products/element-e50 (free shipping) T
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Old 12-18-2018, 06:19 PM
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Over the years, I 've had several fires in my shop....always from someone being stupid. Some have been small, some have been bigger, and one was really, really big. They have all been estinguished with one very short blast of Halon. There's never been enough Halon used to warrant refilling the estinguisher, but I send them out to be topped off, regardless. Amazing stuff. Once you've used Halon to put out a gasoline/oil fire, that's all you will ever carry or use...until something else, better, comes along.

When I viewed the video on the Element website of them putting out that bowl of gasoline, my first thought was that I really had no desire to ever get that close to any "real" fire (like the guy who put out the tiny bowl of gasoline did.) My second thought was: "That's a cute little thing that just put out a cute little fire."

"BTW, none of the fires I've had were contained in a neat little bowl....fuel/oil was in a much larger area."

In terms of a "real demonstration" they would do better to buy an old car, spray some fuel around, and start a real engine fire, count to about 30 (which is how long it takes to go get a fire estinguisher), and show some real life results.

I did go back and watch Leno holding the Element Fire "stick" and there was eventually a pretty big cloud of their agent....but that was in a very controlled area....no air movement, at all.

I like the idea....I just want to see something realistic.

So, am I ready to sell the Element product to my clients and tell them that this will absolutely save their car, from burning.

Not quite yet....

I'll continue to stock and sell Halon Fire estinguishers, to my clients, until I see some "real life" proof.

I do know, without any reservation, that even a small Halon Fire estinguisher will instantly put out even a big gasoline/oil fire. Like magic. Instantly.


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in the past years I have had to deal with a couple of very minor fires that were put out quickly with generic extinguishers. never
any real damage, but the clean up was always a PITA.

the element system is most attractive because of its claim regarding no residue. does halon leave any residue?
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Originally Posted by GregBBRD View Post
I'll continue to stock and sell Halon Fire estinguishers, to my clients, until I see some "real life" proof.​​​​​​
I doubt anyone is going to argue against halon (I should know better than to say such things around here......)

But there are other test vids of these worth checking out.

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Originally Posted by merchauser View Post
in the past years I have had to deal with a couple of very minor fires that were put out quickly with generic extinguishers. never
any real damage, but the clean up was always a PITA.

the element system is most attractive because of its claim regarding no residue. does halon leave any residue?
None.
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From a Wikipedia dive: There are several types of Halon, but handheld extinguishers have traditionally used Halon 1211 - CF2ClBr. "For use around highly valuable materials" - check.

"... fire is extinguished by cooling and oxygen deprivation at the core of the fire, as well as radical quenching [grabs up free hydrogen] over a larger area. After fire suppression, the halon diffuses, leaving no residue."

It's hell on the ozone layer, so it's been banned since 2009, sorta. I had no trouble purchasing an extinguisher off Ebay, probably sourced from old factories. There's a safer substitute, Halotron I, but it will soon be banned as well.

Based on Greg's experience, my extinguisher is overly large - I should see about getting a smaller version to carry in the car. Or a bunch of Element units since I still have several vehicles that use gasoline.
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