horsepower ---plan A or B
01-13-2004, 07:02 PM
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Randy the 928 community is due to be in KANSAS ........this summer compliments of Marc White now where is Toto ? when you need him ?
01-13-2004, 07:05 PM
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It is tough being at the "top" of the power pile.....Like they say " it is a tough job, but somebody has to do it".
It is tough being at the "top" of the power pile.....Like they say " it is a tough job, but somebody has to do it".
By Jim:
On the other hand , many of the supercharger guys seem very vocal , you can not get them to shut up ! Even if you want to ................
On the other hand , many of the supercharger guys seem very vocal , you can not get them to shut up ! Even if you want to ................
01-13-2004, 07:07 PM
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Tom Falkenburg is the new owner of the Yellow car and it really needs to be carefully sorted out after changing hands and mechanics a couple times . The setup was never really fully ready to run having been built by committee and the whole never met the sum of the parts . It is a large pile of $$$$$ with a lot of potential ........
01-13-2004, 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by Randy V
But, Jim et al pose a solid unanswered question - who are all these satisfied FAST SC and DEVEK stroker customers?
But, Jim et al pose a solid unanswered question - who are all these satisfied FAST SC and DEVEK stroker customers?
As far as street Devek stroker cars, there are three three that I'm aware of. One is the dark colored one that's pictured in the Devek ads. I guess that's one of the very first ones, and is the one that's been mentioned before, and is or was due for a "refreshing". Another is a GT that's in California. The owner of that one has posted on this board a little bit in the past. The third one was the guy who was at the 2000 convention in Witchita, with the stroker that "blew up" not long after the that engine was put in. Is that the one you were refering to when you said one ended up in court Jim?
At this point Marc has the highest dyno numbers that have been posted, so I suppose that does mean he's at the "top of the pile". Since he towed the car to the dyno and ran race gas to get that dyno pull, I'm assuming that the rules have been relaxed a bit from that street driven, pump gas scenario that he proposed a while back. You going to trailer the car and a drum of race gas to Witchita Marc? It would be interesting to see a dyno run like that one you did to get the numbers higher than Tim's in his daily driver.
01-13-2004, 07:30 PM
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I can hardly wait to see the latest Cheeze-Like creation out of Wisconsin.
If your comparison is based on peak numbers guys, you had better look harder at the whole picture (i.e. entire power curve)....it isn't about some number you pull off on an inertia dyno for 5 seconds at the redline.
Lag, I think what Jim is trying to say is you have an over-sized pie hole....but that is just my guess???
Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to meeting all of you in Kansas this year.
I have this mental image of what you all look like, but experiencing it in person will be great.
If your comparison is based on peak numbers guys, you had better look harder at the whole picture (i.e. entire power curve)....it isn't about some number you pull off on an inertia dyno for 5 seconds at the redline.
Lag, I think what Jim is trying to say is you have an over-sized pie hole....but that is just my guess???
Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to meeting all of you in Kansas this year.
I have this mental image of what you all look like, but experiencing it in person will be great.
01-13-2004, 07:42 PM
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When I was recommending a stroker for a CA car, I made two suggestions...
1. Build it yourself
2. Have someone build it for you
I think building a stroker motor is a good idea.
In this case, the owner seems less likely to build it themselves, and more likely to pay to have it done. But other than Devek, not many other places are even advertising or offering those kinds of services. And since none of this 928 stuff has been done a lot, I am sure that everyone who builds a stroker motor, has to deal with some learning curves. Devek may take their time, but I think since they have built a few motors, they would probably do a decent job. The more people who complete strokers with Chevy components, Nikasil, or sleeves, and they learn what works, and have success, then we may have some additional kits or templates of how to proceed. But unless he is willing to be an engine-builder's guinnea pig, I think Devek is just as qualified as any other place that might offer to build a stroker.
He can do the research. He knows it will cost a lot, and knows it will take them a long time.
But I doubt they will do any better or any worse than any other builder. I think they can build
good engines. The white car is a good example. They know what they are doing. They just
get too caught up in other things, and too busy, or being perfectionist on their builds, so that
it takes forever to complete. I think that is probably the main reason you do not hear from any
stroker owners. My *guess* is that Marc is spending too much time on his own car, and on
the other repair work at the shop, that those engines have simply not been delivered or
installed. As you said, if those people were really impressed with their dyno results,
and really happy about it, they would be posting, or Devek would be posting the results,
the same way that all the SC guys post all their results...
Heck, maybe nothing is getting done on stroker motors, because they are building their
own supercharger kits... Either way, this guy asking for advice has to know that if he wants
a stroker built, it will take a long time. But if he wants to pass smog, and not have to
pull a kit every 2 years, then that is his best option, and I think Devek would do a
good job, despite their slow production speed...
I'm not saying I would want to pay that much.
And I'm not saying I would want to wait that long.
I wouldn't.
1. Build it yourself
2. Have someone build it for you
I think building a stroker motor is a good idea.
In this case, the owner seems less likely to build it themselves, and more likely to pay to have it done. But other than Devek, not many other places are even advertising or offering those kinds of services. And since none of this 928 stuff has been done a lot, I am sure that everyone who builds a stroker motor, has to deal with some learning curves. Devek may take their time, but I think since they have built a few motors, they would probably do a decent job. The more people who complete strokers with Chevy components, Nikasil, or sleeves, and they learn what works, and have success, then we may have some additional kits or templates of how to proceed. But unless he is willing to be an engine-builder's guinnea pig, I think Devek is just as qualified as any other place that might offer to build a stroker.
He can do the research. He knows it will cost a lot, and knows it will take them a long time.
But I doubt they will do any better or any worse than any other builder. I think they can build
good engines. The white car is a good example. They know what they are doing. They just
get too caught up in other things, and too busy, or being perfectionist on their builds, so that
it takes forever to complete. I think that is probably the main reason you do not hear from any
stroker owners. My *guess* is that Marc is spending too much time on his own car, and on
the other repair work at the shop, that those engines have simply not been delivered or
installed. As you said, if those people were really impressed with their dyno results,
and really happy about it, they would be posting, or Devek would be posting the results,
the same way that all the SC guys post all their results...
Heck, maybe nothing is getting done on stroker motors, because they are building their
own supercharger kits... Either way, this guy asking for advice has to know that if he wants
a stroker built, it will take a long time. But if he wants to pass smog, and not have to
pull a kit every 2 years, then that is his best option, and I think Devek would do a
good job, despite their slow production speed...
I'm not saying I would want to pay that much.
And I'm not saying I would want to wait that long.
I wouldn't.
01-13-2004, 07:52 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by John..
[B]I can hardly wait to see the latest Cheeze-Like creation out of Wisconsin.
Lag, I think what Jim is trying to say is you have an over-sized pie hole....but that is just my guess???
Don't fret Lag, there are more than a few of us that are guilty of over-sized pie holes, John not being exempted from the list of potential Emy award winners.
All in good fun. Ain't it great to be this committed?
[B]I can hardly wait to see the latest Cheeze-Like creation out of Wisconsin.
Lag, I think what Jim is trying to say is you have an over-sized pie hole....but that is just my guess???
Don't fret Lag, there are more than a few of us that are guilty of over-sized pie holes, John not being exempted from the list of potential Emy award winners.
All in good fun. Ain't it great to be this committed?
01-13-2004, 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by John..
Lag, I think what Jim is trying to say is you have an over-sized pie hole....but that is just my guess???
Lag, I think what Jim is trying to say is you have an over-sized pie hole....but that is just my guess???
01-13-2004, 08:19 PM
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Z no that was a different one , the "problem" one at Witchita was the economy pistons with plating which seized (customer built engine ) as I recall . The court case involved excessive pinging detonation on street gas (customer lost the case) performance stroker . Car may have been overheated as well ..... I had forgotten about the Witchita motor perhaps just as well ........
01-13-2004, 08:23 PM
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Tim, it's an Olde English expression - namely, the hole you put pie into (and speak out of).
Bobby DeNiro says: Shut Your Pie Hole
Bobby DeNiro says: Shut Your Pie Hole
01-13-2004, 08:30 PM
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Better to talk of "pieholes" than ...holes and there is no shortage of either . I think the phrase originated with a comic strip character ......
01-13-2004, 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by John..
If your comparison is based on peak numbers guys, you had better look harder at the whole picture (i.e. entire power curve)....it isn't about some number you pull off on an inertia dyno for 5 seconds at the redline.
If your comparison is based on peak numbers guys, you had better look harder at the whole picture (i.e. entire power curve)....it isn't about some number you pull off on an inertia dyno for 5 seconds at the redline.
