Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Cylinder head carbon delete mod: +40hp!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-13-2016, 10:09 AM
  #16  
Voith
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Voith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 8,385
Received 648 Likes on 409 Posts
Default

What is the chem they use in cold tank for aluminum? I cant get my block to look like that, no way..
Old 01-13-2016, 10:16 AM
  #17  
snb13
Pro
 
snb13's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 729
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by V2Rocket
too late now, but deck as little as possible - 20 thou is way too much for a regular head service, unless the head is seriously warped.
Why?
Old 01-13-2016, 11:06 AM
  #18  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,548
Received 648 Likes on 502 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by snb13
Why?
only cut off as much as is needed to get a clean, flat surface, for the new head gasket.
there is no point cutting more than that.

the potential "compression bump" is so minimal that you will not be able to feel or measure any difference, aside from the better power a freshened head gives you regardless.
Old 01-13-2016, 09:43 PM
  #19  
Dougs951S
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Dougs951S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Austin TX, drinking beer in the garage
Posts: 3,602
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by V2Rocket
only cut off as much as is needed to get a clean, flat surface, for the new head gasket.
there is no point cutting more than that.

the potential "compression bump" is so minimal that you will not be able to feel or measure any difference, aside from the better power a freshened head gives you regardless.
They didn't end up cutting it at all, turns out my "straight edge" is out of plane to the tune of ~.004" because I thought the head was warped. The shop said it was flat and did not need to be skimmed. The head is back on the car now, I have torqued it up to 37 ft-lbs and will do the final 66 ft-lb torque in the morning.

The oil cooler is back on, the AOS has been replaced, and the fuel lines have been replaced as well. What remains is installing the cam tower, timing the motor, routing the vacuum lines, installing the intake and fuel rail, and putting the radiator and fans back essentially. I'm hoping I will hear it run tomorrow.

And Voith I have no idea what chemical bath they used but its 10x cleaner than I expected considering how unserviceably filthy it was before. The shop did a good job for the right price, so they're getting my repeat business. I'm taking my 951 head down to be rebuilt and have 49mm (+4mm oversize) intake valves installed in the next 2 or 3 weeks.

They said it'd be the same 140 dollar price to install new guides and install the 49mm valves + valve job so time to jump on that.

Last edited by Dougs951S; 01-13-2016 at 10:25 PM.
Old 01-13-2016, 10:05 PM
  #20  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,548
Received 648 Likes on 502 Posts
Default

All that stuff should take like an hour
Git-r-dun
Old 01-14-2016, 07:40 AM
  #21  
Voith
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Voith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 8,385
Received 648 Likes on 409 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Dougs951S
And Voith I have no idea what chemical bath they used but its 10x cleaner than I expected considering how unserviceably filthy it was before. The shop did a good job for the right price, so they're getting my repeat business. I'm taking my 951 head down to be rebuilt and have 49mm (+4mm oversize) intake valves installed in the next 2 or 3 weeks.
Please ask them what is in that tank. I am washing my block with quite extreme treatments and pressure washer set to 200bar @ 160°C and am getting no way near that result..

My method does wonders to interior of the head or block but the outside is another story completely.
Old 01-14-2016, 09:40 AM
  #22  
Tiger03447
Rennlist Member
 
Tiger03447's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Elizabethton,TN
Posts: 3,383
Received 147 Likes on 128 Posts
Default

Dear Voith: most of the chemical treatments use caustic soda (sodium hydroxide) on iron blocks. My guy uses a dilute solution of this. They may have beadblasted the head as well. That's the only way that I know of to get it that clean. After the beadblasting, they blow out the passages with air or use a solvent bath to clean out all the beads. Sometimes shops use bicarbonate of soda instead of beads, which will wash out with water and is biodegradeable. Hope this helps some.
Old 01-14-2016, 10:04 AM
  #23  
Voith
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Voith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 8,385
Received 648 Likes on 409 Posts
Default

Thanks. I'll need to try with caustic soda.. The interior stuff reacts to pressurized steam very well.

Inside of head looks much better than outside




Last edited by Voith; 01-14-2016 at 10:40 AM.
Old 01-14-2016, 10:08 AM
  #24  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,548
Received 648 Likes on 502 Posts
Default

Voith - I'd caution against caustic anything on an aluminum block...it will be eaten if you don't wash anything off...

Industrial concentrated degreaser chemicals do great for the home parts cleaner.
If you can get mineral spirits or acetone, they work great too.
Old 01-14-2016, 10:43 AM
  #25  
Voith
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Voith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 8,385
Received 648 Likes on 409 Posts
Default

I thought of just try it on the outside surfaces that are really black and then wash it off...
Old 01-14-2016, 08:06 PM
  #26  
Dougs951S
Race Car
Thread Starter
 
Dougs951S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Austin TX, drinking beer in the garage
Posts: 3,602
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Dont use Caustic soda, it WILL eat aluminum.


Also, progress:





Nearly back up after being down for 13 weeks, a new record for any of my 944s besides my 951! (for lack of an engine)

Last edited by Dougs951S; 01-15-2016 at 02:12 AM.



Quick Reply: Cylinder head carbon delete mod: +40hp!



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:13 PM.