Is 944 competitive in autoX ?
#31
Originally posted by Hacker-Pschorr
Again, this is up to your local club, but usually you can get away with upgrades that were original on newer or different variations of the same car. An easy example to explain what I'm getting at. Upgrade your car to M030 suspension and brakes. Most clubs won't penalize you for upgrading your car to what it could have been ordered with new. 16" and maybe 17" wheels are not out of the question either. Depends on how picky they get. My 87 came with the 16" wheel option. I'm not sure if any came with 17". Help me out here guys.
Again, this is up to your local club, but usually you can get away with upgrades that were original on newer or different variations of the same car. An easy example to explain what I'm getting at. Upgrade your car to M030 suspension and brakes. Most clubs won't penalize you for upgrading your car to what it could have been ordered with new. 16" and maybe 17" wheels are not out of the question either. Depends on how picky they get. My 87 came with the 16" wheel option. I'm not sure if any came with 17". Help me out here guys.
But why would you want 17" rims? Unless you get a bigger brake kit, keep the stock rim size, smaller rims means less unsprung weight, which means better acceleration and braking.
Also (in SCCA at least) to add a factory option, you have to add every single piece from it. If I put M030 sways on my car, but didn't change the springs, torsion bars, even the bushings, to be the exact part shipped on an M030 951, then it's not stock. Some clubs might overlook this kind of thing locally, especially if you don't place high, (and you could always be dishonest and just not tell them), but if you start winning, people might start questioning.
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Originally posted by Ag951
But why would you want 17" rims? Unless you get a bigger brake kit, keep the stock rim size, smaller rims means less unsprung weight, which means better acceleration and braking.
But why would you want 17" rims? Unless you get a bigger brake kit, keep the stock rim size, smaller rims means less unsprung weight, which means better acceleration and braking.
The 16" wheels on my car were a factory option. With SCCA rules, does that mean I have to run the original 16" wheels or any 16" wheel that is the same size?
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Originally posted by Hacker-Pschorr
I was bascially wondering if 17" wheels were even an option on 944's at any time. The M030 fits with 16" wheels, right? I upgraded my car to 944 turbo spec brakes, not M030.
I was bascially wondering if 17" wheels were even an option on 944's at any time. The M030 fits with 16" wheels, right? I upgraded my car to 944 turbo spec brakes, not M030.
The 16" wheels on my car were a factory option. With SCCA rules, does that mean I have to run the original 16" wheels or any 16" wheel that is the same size?
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Originally posted by Ag951
The bigger brakes will change your class at SCCA, probably with other groups too. Make sure you have good pads and Motul or equivalent fluid to get the most out of your brakes.
The bigger brakes will change your class at SCCA, probably with other groups too. Make sure you have good pads and Motul or equivalent fluid to get the most out of your brakes.
I'm running super blue brake fluid.
#38
Most rules don't care if you put bigger or smaller brakes. It is just if they are no longer stock (ie stock calipers, stock rotor size) Most groups allow any pads and many do not penalize for things like slotting or drilling again if they are stock sized (diamter & thickness) Then again some consider drilling and slotting not stock so you need to read the rules to be careful.
At our local PCA autocrosses we really don't care too much about rules. We compete and have rules, but is more friendly than rule oriented. With 30 to 50 cars most everyone knows each other and most of the mods. If some one does cheat in class we really don't car because what to you win? Nothing. Personally in 4 years of autocross I have not heard of any cheating complaints. I do know plenty of "mis-classified" cars, but usally these are errors of lack of rule knowledge vs an attempt to cheat.
I can't say it like this everywhere, but in the Az Region it is. To me this much more fun than the SCCA guys complaining about adding a complete M030 or just the shocks. To me that defeats the purpose of Autocross which is simple fun with a little competition rather than a hardcore beat the next guy attitude. If you want to compete that much go racing and keep AX at the level fun being #1.
At our local PCA autocrosses we really don't care too much about rules. We compete and have rules, but is more friendly than rule oriented. With 30 to 50 cars most everyone knows each other and most of the mods. If some one does cheat in class we really don't car because what to you win? Nothing. Personally in 4 years of autocross I have not heard of any cheating complaints. I do know plenty of "mis-classified" cars, but usally these are errors of lack of rule knowledge vs an attempt to cheat.
I can't say it like this everywhere, but in the Az Region it is. To me this much more fun than the SCCA guys complaining about adding a complete M030 or just the shocks. To me that defeats the purpose of Autocross which is simple fun with a little competition rather than a hardcore beat the next guy attitude. If you want to compete that much go racing and keep AX at the level fun being #1.
#39
Originally posted by Ag951
Any rim from any company is considered "stock" as long as the diameter and width are the same as what the car left the factory (not the dealer lot) with.
Any rim from any company is considered "stock" as long as the diameter and width are the same as what the car left the factory (not the dealer lot) with.
-Z.
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Originally posted by M758
To me that defeats the purpose of Autocross which is simple fun with a little competition rather than a hardcore beat the next guy attitude. If you want to compete that much go racing and keep AX at the level fun being #1.
To me that defeats the purpose of Autocross which is simple fun with a little competition rather than a hardcore beat the next guy attitude. If you want to compete that much go racing and keep AX at the level fun being #1.
Well said. To me AutoX is you against the clock and yourself. As long as each run you keep getting faster, your winning.
#41
M758 and Hacker-Pschorr:
I agree that autoX is mostly about competing against yourself.
On the other hand, I would rather compete with myself scoring 25th out of 52, instead of 52 out of 52, :-)
And I can't wait for my 2nd event!
I agree that autoX is mostly about competing against yourself.
On the other hand, I would rather compete with myself scoring 25th out of 52, instead of 52 out of 52, :-)
And I can't wait for my 2nd event!
#44
Originally posted by Stan944
M758 and Hacker-Pschorr:
I agree that autoX is mostly about competing against yourself.
On the other hand, I would rather compete with myself scoring 25th out of 52, instead of 52 out of 52, :-)
And I can't wait for my 2nd event!
M758 and Hacker-Pschorr:
I agree that autoX is mostly about competing against yourself.
On the other hand, I would rather compete with myself scoring 25th out of 52, instead of 52 out of 52, :-)
And I can't wait for my 2nd event!
It's also about getting really fun G-forces going, and the adrenaline rush.
Hacker, if your car had a factory option of the same caliper model, then it's stock, even if they came from a 951. If your new brakes have more pistons, then it's street prepared.
My opinion of SCCA autocrossing has dropped dramatically recently.
First, they class my 951 with suspension mods in with a 996GT2 or a lightly modded Z06, '03 M3, etc. It's a good car, but it's not that good.
They have heats of 30 cars, so it's run, wait 20 minutes, run, wait 20 minutes, run, you're done. I like the lap style of the PCA or the six car heats of the defunct NASA autoX better.
Their events take eight hours or more for three to six runs (on Sunday they cancelled time onlys at the last minute, so I stayed five hours after my 2.5min of competition, waiting for time onlys, only to find out I could have left after running).
And now they just announced that their schedule posted since January is wrong, and their October, November, and December events will be on the same day as the PCA.
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Originally posted by Ag951
Hacker, if your car had a factory option of the same caliper model, then it's stock, even if they came from a 951. If your new brakes have more pistons, then it's street prepared.
Hacker, if your car had a factory option of the same caliper model, then it's stock, even if they came from a 951. If your new brakes have more pistons, then it's street prepared.