Cheapest way to lower S2?
08-30-2013, 07:59 PM
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This isn't really the way to go.
1. The car already has understeer from the factory
2. You are adding more understreer with stiffer front springs
3. You are adding even more understeer by lowering the front 1-1/2in
The eccentric will maybe give you 3/4in lowering at the rear but without changing the torsion bars and reindexing your car will lose some of its good handling characteristics.
Yes it's a pain but not really complicated, just have to read and understand what you are doing beforehand. The first time you do it you end up doing it twice so it normally takes all day. Plenty of write-ups on how to do it and it can be done without a lift on jack stands. Plus it's very satisfying getting it right and a sort of right of passage on our cars
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1. The car already has understeer from the factory
2. You are adding more understreer with stiffer front springs
3. You are adding even more understeer by lowering the front 1-1/2in
The eccentric will maybe give you 3/4in lowering at the rear but without changing the torsion bars and reindexing your car will lose some of its good handling characteristics.
Yes it's a pain but not really complicated, just have to read and understand what you are doing beforehand. The first time you do it you end up doing it twice so it normally takes all day. Plenty of write-ups on how to do it and it can be done without a lift on jack stands. Plus it's very satisfying getting it right and a sort of right of passage on our cars
. GLThere is form and there is function, and if you do thins right you can have both; for street driving. If this was a track set up post the comments posted would be totally different.
08-30-2013, 11:47 PM
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Lowering the front increases weight at the front and adds to understeer.
http://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/susp-15.htm
You are quite correct though, on the street you really won't feel much of a difference and it will probably feel just as good as stock. I was just adding technicalities to the mix
http://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/susp-15.htm
You are quite correct though, on the street you really won't feel much of a difference and it will probably feel just as good as stock. I was just adding technicalities to the mix
and by NO MEANS meant to take this thread in a different direction, sorry OP!
Clark seems to be contradicting in these statements
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Conversely, if the suspension is set up so that, during cornering more weight is shifted to the outside front tire than the outside rear tire, then the front tire will have more grip during cornering than the rear tire. So, the rear tire will lose traction before the front. This is referred to as oversteer or as the car being "loose".
Understeer Corrections
Remove weight from the front Add weight to the rear
Remove weight from the front Add weight to the rear
08-31-2013, 03:55 AM
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It's all good guys, I'm learning along the way.
I like the idea of just adding the lowering springs to the front to bring it down a bit, but I'd like the rear to be just as simple and with little complications. Simple remove and replace works for me!
I like the idea of just adding the lowering springs to the front to bring it down a bit, but I'd like the rear to be just as simple and with little complications. Simple remove and replace works for me!
08-31-2013, 08:24 PM
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Simplest way for the rear is just doing the spring plate eccentric bolt adjustment. Here's how:
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...tric-bolt.html
Some more info on it:
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...tric-bolt.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...tric-bolt.html
Some more info on it:
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...tric-bolt.html
09-01-2013, 10:31 AM
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put torch on coils, heat them up and sit on car...it lowers I for just the price of gas in the tanks. granted I highly suggest not doing this as heat will create a weak point in the coil and can cause it to break
09-01-2013, 12:16 PM
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It does sit a bit higher in the back but not terribly. Like I said not ideal and not what I would probably choose if I were doing the suspension but it is a really nice street setup and I will probably not change it unless I can find a way to raise the front back up about 1/2 inch.
Ride is super smooth especially for Konis.
09-01-2013, 12:27 PM
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The easiest way to lower the S2 is to let air out of the tires. It won't help the handling much though and neither will putting short springs up front. The problem with that is it changes the roll centre. The angle of the front control arms will be upward as will the tie rods and unless you go with very hard springs all around it will handle like a pig and with really hard springs it will rattle the fillings out of your teeth on anything but a mirror road surface.
09-01-2013, 04:02 PM
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The easiest way to lower the S2 is to let air out of the tires. It won't help the handling much though and neither will putting short springs up front. The problem with that is it changes the roll centre. The angle of the front control arms will be upward as will the tie rods and unless you go with very hard springs all around it will handle like a pig and with really hard springs it will rattle the fillings out of your teeth on anything but a mirror road surface.