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10-26-2001, 04:54 PM
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Ok, this post went up like 3 months ago, and somehow Craig has stirred it all up again.
For the many who say "It's just a car.." then why did you decide on the particular one that you have? If it was just a car a Dodge Omni, Yugo, Ford Escort type car would due. You got it for a reason being the badge on the front, the style, the drivability, the speed, whatever it is, you bought one.
The diffrence between some listers like me, who "economically" are fools, and the others who just don't care (Craig), is the fact that we have our Porsches for a hobby, for fun, for whatever reason we may have. Others just bought a used car they could afford, and need help keeping the thing running.
No one can say that a person is right or wrong about the feelings they have toward an object. I could care less that Craig dislikes his car because it is not his passion, and could care less that Turbo Tim has a faster car than me. What is important is the car I own and enjoy, and the refinements that I decide to do to it.
Now, Craig, the Supra TT thing? Come on man. You have lost it. Take a new '87 Supra and a new '87 951, and tell me what car is better for the track and the daily driver. You choose, but I'll take the 951.
Now you find someone who has put 8 grand (car cost) and 12 grand (parts and stuff) into an '87 Supra with 126,000 daily driven miles on it, and park it next to my '87 951 with the same requirements. Tell me what car is better for the track (mine) and the daily drive (mine).
Your choice might be diffrent. I think many will be like mine.
Oh... and I would smoke him on the track. Many would smoke him on the track.
And the 800hp Supra you talk about all the time... it was about $33,000 new, and he has about $65,000 into it. For that cost he could het a used 996 TT or a Viper that would blow his doors off on the track. And you like the acceleration thing... for some $90 grand, I could build a '69 Dodge Charger that could run 8's, don't think that Supra could!
For the many who say "It's just a car.." then why did you decide on the particular one that you have? If it was just a car a Dodge Omni, Yugo, Ford Escort type car would due. You got it for a reason being the badge on the front, the style, the drivability, the speed, whatever it is, you bought one.
The diffrence between some listers like me, who "economically" are fools, and the others who just don't care (Craig), is the fact that we have our Porsches for a hobby, for fun, for whatever reason we may have. Others just bought a used car they could afford, and need help keeping the thing running.
No one can say that a person is right or wrong about the feelings they have toward an object. I could care less that Craig dislikes his car because it is not his passion, and could care less that Turbo Tim has a faster car than me. What is important is the car I own and enjoy, and the refinements that I decide to do to it.
Now, Craig, the Supra TT thing? Come on man. You have lost it. Take a new '87 Supra and a new '87 951, and tell me what car is better for the track and the daily driver. You choose, but I'll take the 951.
Now you find someone who has put 8 grand (car cost) and 12 grand (parts and stuff) into an '87 Supra with 126,000 daily driven miles on it, and park it next to my '87 951 with the same requirements. Tell me what car is better for the track (mine) and the daily drive (mine).
Your choice might be diffrent. I think many will be like mine.
Oh... and I would smoke him on the track. Many would smoke him on the track.
And the 800hp Supra you talk about all the time... it was about $33,000 new, and he has about $65,000 into it. For that cost he could het a used 996 TT or a Viper that would blow his doors off on the track. And you like the acceleration thing... for some $90 grand, I could build a '69 Dodge Charger that could run 8's, don't think that Supra could!
10-26-2001, 05:19 PM
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Ok, this post went up like 3 months ago, and somehow Craig has stirred it all up again
For the many who say "It's just a car.." then why did you decide on the particular one that you have?
Would I be upset if I lost this car for some reason, yes. Would it be because I lost a Porsche? Not at all, in fact, I probably, at this point, would replace it with something newer with much less than the 110K miles I have on my odometer, maybe a Focus SVT or Subie WRX. Or, actually I might replace it with a 91 Mitsu Galant VR4.
I will not die if my car goes away, it is just a thing and I have always felt that way. Certainly during the past month and a half my feelings in this regard have become stronger. Things are just baggage of life. The old slogan "Whoever dies with the most toys wins" is foolish and should read, "Whoever dies with the most toys is an idiot who wasted a lot of money on stuff that in the long run doesn't matter. If you really have such low self-esteem that your things, like you car, make up the bulk of you personality, then you really need to seek professional help and maybe start on a daily dose of Paxel or something.
10-26-2001, 05:47 PM
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No. It was not a cheap shot a Craig. Just my opinion that matters just as much as some one elses. It also is a very good point on the Supra issue.
Yes, this post started many months ago, and was brought back up to the top page when the server crashed. It did not get this many replies in 2 days.
Would I be upset if my car was gone tomorrow, yes, but would my life end, no. It is not the focus of my life. Everyone has a hobby. Some work too much, some eat excessivly, some smoke, some are into computers, I am into my car. How is that a personality problem that I need council for? I am sure you have an obsession, and I am sure that I could find a way to knock it, just as you did to me.
A person is on this planet to contribute to society. Society runs on money. One of your goals is to accumulate stuff. Sure, it means nothing in the long run, but that is one of the goals that has been placed on you. Is my stuff more valuable than yours, who knows. I may have a car worth $10,000, and I would not trade it for anything else right now.
Sure, a new GTI 1.8T would be real nice to have. How about one of them WRX's? What is it worth to you? What is it worth to me? In my eyes, what I have is better, for me. How is that wrong?
Oh... and 1 more thing. You said The old slogan "Whoever dies with the most toys wins" is foolish and should read, "Whoever dies with the most toys is an idiot who wasted a lot of money on stuff that in the long run doesn't matter. In the long run, that money the fool spent means nothing either. In fact, every concept of anything you have encountered in life will mean nothing. Might as well enjoy it while you can.
Yes, this post started many months ago, and was brought back up to the top page when the server crashed. It did not get this many replies in 2 days.
Would I be upset if my car was gone tomorrow, yes, but would my life end, no. It is not the focus of my life. Everyone has a hobby. Some work too much, some eat excessivly, some smoke, some are into computers, I am into my car. How is that a personality problem that I need council for? I am sure you have an obsession, and I am sure that I could find a way to knock it, just as you did to me.
A person is on this planet to contribute to society. Society runs on money. One of your goals is to accumulate stuff. Sure, it means nothing in the long run, but that is one of the goals that has been placed on you. Is my stuff more valuable than yours, who knows. I may have a car worth $10,000, and I would not trade it for anything else right now.
Sure, a new GTI 1.8T would be real nice to have. How about one of them WRX's? What is it worth to you? What is it worth to me? In my eyes, what I have is better, for me. How is that wrong?
Oh... and 1 more thing. You said The old slogan "Whoever dies with the most toys wins" is foolish and should read, "Whoever dies with the most toys is an idiot who wasted a lot of money on stuff that in the long run doesn't matter. In the long run, that money the fool spent means nothing either. In fact, every concept of anything you have encountered in life will mean nothing. Might as well enjoy it while you can.
10-26-2001, 05:57 PM
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I stand corrected. However, the number of times this has been discussed on this list and the old pretty much runs together.
I still stand by my statements.
I still stand by my statements.
10-26-2001, 06:10 PM
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Yes Perry, this is a new thread. And even if it isn't my first post to the topic was only two days ago and it is only the 5th reply overall to Adrian's original post.
Your right Perry, your opinion means no less than mine. My opinion is that I prefer to keep some (most) things as simple as possible because in the long run they cause more anxiety than enjoyment. Owning one of these old cars is a good example because even though I maintain my car very well, there is always something lurking to spoil the fun.
We were not put on this planet to acquire stuff, we merely evolved or were sociallized to think that way. Tribes in remote areas like to collect things too. Most often their desires are more pragmatic, until modern interlopers corrupt their sensibilities.
We were put on this planet to eat, sleep and reproduce, just like chimps and lions and whales and flies. Don't fool yourself, we are no different (ultimately) than other animals except that we have developed this curious need to clutter up our lives with stuff.
Your right Perry, your opinion means no less than mine. My opinion is that I prefer to keep some (most) things as simple as possible because in the long run they cause more anxiety than enjoyment. Owning one of these old cars is a good example because even though I maintain my car very well, there is always something lurking to spoil the fun.
We were not put on this planet to acquire stuff, we merely evolved or were sociallized to think that way. Tribes in remote areas like to collect things too. Most often their desires are more pragmatic, until modern interlopers corrupt their sensibilities.
We were put on this planet to eat, sleep and reproduce, just like chimps and lions and whales and flies. Don't fool yourself, we are no different (ultimately) than other animals except that we have developed this curious need to clutter up our lives with stuff.
10-26-2001, 06:38 PM
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I agree that our evolution has brought us this thinking that we need stuff. However, animals do the same. They collect things for their home (a lions den might have a bed of grass, and some may have more grass than others.. etc).
Having a new or used car makes no diffrence in the area of what will happen next. Many new cars have problems, and all need some sort of wrenching to keep it top notch. I could spend just as much time and money on a new model as I do my '87.
It is all in what makes you happy. I enjoy the work I do on my ride. I like the fact that I have something to show myself all the hard work that I put in every day at my job. When I leave work in that car, I am a happy person. Like I said, everyone has something they enjoy. Mine just so happens to be a car.
And yes... it does not matter what the name is on the badge. I enjoyed my '84 Dodge Daytona Turbo Z almost as much as the 951. The name means little to something that fits you well.
Like a nice suit. The dollar discount store might have a better cut than the tailor down the street.
Having a new or used car makes no diffrence in the area of what will happen next. Many new cars have problems, and all need some sort of wrenching to keep it top notch. I could spend just as much time and money on a new model as I do my '87.
It is all in what makes you happy. I enjoy the work I do on my ride. I like the fact that I have something to show myself all the hard work that I put in every day at my job. When I leave work in that car, I am a happy person. Like I said, everyone has something they enjoy. Mine just so happens to be a car.
And yes... it does not matter what the name is on the badge. I enjoyed my '84 Dodge Daytona Turbo Z almost as much as the 951. The name means little to something that fits you well.
Like a nice suit. The dollar discount store might have a better cut than the tailor down the street.
10-27-2001, 04:51 PM
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So ultimately we were kind of saying the same thing all along, huh Perry. Jeez I hate it when discussions run out like this. But eventually the point has been made by both of us that, yes it does not matter what make or model the car or motor bike or bicycle is that you fancy, as long as it makes you happy.
Your right about (other) animals collecting things. My point is that they, for the most part collect things they need. We don't. We collect cars and stereo equipment and Andrew Wyath painting. Get my point (yes I know this is kind of off the topic of the original post). These are not things we ultimately need to exist, these for the most part do not fill our belly and keep other animals from eating us. Well OK maybe a car might. So, the reason I originally brought this up was to say that in the long run your car or mine or anyones car is not and never has been in the universal scheme of things so precious that it would be a crime to alter it if that is what makes the owner happy. Hell, just look at what Von Dutch did to that Mercedes 300 SL gullwing.
Adrian, tinkering makes people happy, enough said.
Your right about (other) animals collecting things. My point is that they, for the most part collect things they need. We don't. We collect cars and stereo equipment and Andrew Wyath painting. Get my point (yes I know this is kind of off the topic of the original post). These are not things we ultimately need to exist, these for the most part do not fill our belly and keep other animals from eating us. Well OK maybe a car might. So, the reason I originally brought this up was to say that in the long run your car or mine or anyones car is not and never has been in the universal scheme of things so precious that it would be a crime to alter it if that is what makes the owner happy. Hell, just look at what Von Dutch did to that Mercedes 300 SL gullwing.
Adrian, tinkering makes people happy, enough said.
10-29-2001, 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by keith:
<STRONG>Adrian - is that a "modification" on your hood? Why on earth would you want to do that?</STRONG>
<STRONG>Adrian - is that a "modification" on your hood? Why on earth would you want to do that?</STRONG>
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"Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a nicely customised car,paint job's, bodywork, engine mod's, chip's.
Though some of the purists would still stay away from anything to wild."
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As I am not a purist and consider a "transfer" easily removalable.
a: not over the yop bodywork
b: not likly to detract from re-sale value,
'cos it's removable in min's
10-29-2001, 07:02 AM
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Hey Guy's,
OK one final thing to say...
Some ppl did not read my post either properly or understand it.
"All" I asked was why...
I did not state that I was against all mods
(re-read the orginal post!)
I also gave a fully comprehensive reason why I asked the question. I have also answered any question's polite or otherwise that were put to me.
The only mistake I made was the question about the 911 crowd, so I retracted that earlier. Though you still dont see anyone trying to put a chevy block into a brand new boxster.
I don't really care less what ppl wish to do with there car's it is down to personal preference and common sense.
I do understand why ppl tinker or mod there car's. Again all I asked was why would you do that to a Porsche.
To thoes who explained why calmly and politely, thank you. To thoes that did'nt, I don't give a damn, this IS a forum for questions and answers.
Another reason I have recently found (FROM A UK POINT OF VIEW) is below.
Peace out
Regards
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Another good reason not to mod your car or at the very least keep your car within spec's ,is sailing through your MOT
Every car that I've had and modd'd, be it different wheels, lowering, harder bushes. i.e. away from manufutures specs.
Has always had problems with MOT's.
The guy's only seemed to have taken 4 or 5 minutes. Where as the other ones have taken longer. Usually with the guy asking for asistance from someone else.
I'm also sure that the galvanised body has something to do with it.
ONLY thing noted on the advise sheet was "SUMP GUARD FITTED"
Was this meaning that they were unable to check other certain important thing's beacuse of this ?? Should I worry ??
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OK one final thing to say...
Some ppl did not read my post either properly or understand it.
"All" I asked was why...
I did not state that I was against all mods
(re-read the orginal post!)
I also gave a fully comprehensive reason why I asked the question. I have also answered any question's polite or otherwise that were put to me.
The only mistake I made was the question about the 911 crowd, so I retracted that earlier. Though you still dont see anyone trying to put a chevy block into a brand new boxster.
I don't really care less what ppl wish to do with there car's it is down to personal preference and common sense.
I do understand why ppl tinker or mod there car's. Again all I asked was why would you do that to a Porsche.
To thoes who explained why calmly and politely, thank you. To thoes that did'nt, I don't give a damn, this IS a forum for questions and answers.
Another reason I have recently found (FROM A UK POINT OF VIEW) is below.
Peace out
Regards
SNIPED
Another good reason not to mod your car or at the very least keep your car within spec's ,is sailing through your MOT
Every car that I've had and modd'd, be it different wheels, lowering, harder bushes. i.e. away from manufutures specs.
Has always had problems with MOT's.
The guy's only seemed to have taken 4 or 5 minutes. Where as the other ones have taken longer. Usually with the guy asking for asistance from someone else.
I'm also sure that the galvanised body has something to do with it.
ONLY thing noted on the advise sheet was "SUMP GUARD FITTED"
Was this meaning that they were unable to check other certain important thing's beacuse of this ?? Should I worry ??
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