Review of the NA-Tune from Rogue Tuning
04-03-2013, 02:17 PM
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Has anyone heard from Josh lately? I sent him an email and a PM regarding a replacement chip he offered me a while ago and he hasn't contacted me back yet. I realize he's a busy guy, but it's been a few days....
Edit- if my chip is dead, is there any way you could send me the updated chip? The increase in fuel economy sounds enticing.
Edit- if my chip is dead, is there any way you could send me the updated chip? The increase in fuel economy sounds enticing.
Last edited by Chunkerz; 04-04-2013 at 08:01 PM. Reason: stupid phone auto correct >:(
04-04-2013, 12:33 AM
#33
Almost. All I have left is the oil cooler seals, the front main seal (if I can get that damn key out 
), and put the cam tower back together. After that I should be good to go.
), and put the cam tower back together. After that I should be good to go.
04-04-2013, 04:27 PM
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No chip-only solution will match the % gains of the NA-Tune. I put that challenge out on one of the other forums, and I will carry that challenge here as well.
04-04-2013, 06:53 PM
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No chip-only solution will match the % gains of the NA-Tune. I put that challenge out on one of the other forums, and I will carry that challenge here as well.
Michael
04-06-2013, 10:04 AM
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Im thinking about buying this too. Josh, I am planning to build a header and exhaust system, and eventually an intake manifold. Is it possible to modify the tune to match the improved flow? I also have a mild cam (web cam)
04-06-2013, 01:15 PM
#41
"Now what Rogue has done is wayyyy better.If you really can gain 10 to 15 hp and 20 to 30 torque with his system(which he has shown with dyno proof),then that is a huuuuuge gain for the money. 10% more hp for a bolt on system!!!! Plus he gives you his chip."
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
04-06-2013, 02:29 PM
#42
"Now what Rogue has done is wayyyy better.If you really can gain 10 to 15 hp and 20 to 30 torque with his system(which he has shown with dyno proof),then that is a huuuuuge gain for the money. 10% more hp for a bolt on system!!!! Plus he gives you his chip."
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
Are you here to start a war in our forum too?
04-06-2013, 04:06 PM
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"Now what Rogue has done is wayyyy better.If you really can gain 10 to 15 hp and 20 to 30 torque with his system(which he has shown with dyno proof),then that is a huuuuuge gain for the money. 10% more hp for a bolt on system!!!! Plus he gives you his chip."
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
That being said, I would rather that discussion have it's own thread. It will give it the room it deserves, and it will keep this thread on track and subject.
Michael
04-06-2013, 04:08 PM
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"Now what Rogue has done is wayyyy better.If you really can gain 10 to 15 hp and 20 to 30 torque with his system(which he has shown with dyno proof),then that is a huuuuuge gain for the money. 10% more hp for a bolt on system!!!! Plus he gives you his chip."
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
So where are the data, e.g. dyno runs, to indicate the independent effects
of each variable in this mod, i.e. the MAF, the timing map changes, and the
fuel map changes? Combined effects based on dyno runs are of no value
in determining the true value of the 'performance' product.
This type of mod has been hyped for the 911 3.2 and the 964 to max the
selling price versus just selling a 'performance' chip. When tested, the
data indicated that the MAF versus an AFM results in little to no gains
by itself. As with most 'performance' mods for stock engines, it's all about
'pushing' the timing.
Read here about 'performance' tuning:
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...-the-myth.html
And then read here to see how the ignition maps are 'pushed':
http://www.systemsc.com/tests.htm
04-06-2013, 04:43 PM
#45
Drifting
Since I haven't been watching the Genesis of this blog about Josh's mods to the 944 N/A, Is there a basic list of all the mods that have been put in "Package" format to inform me of the individual mods and prices that are included? I've been so busy doing all the "basic" stuff to my '87 N/A to make it right, I haven't explored performane mods to date.