turbo325is

the amount of fab work dosent scare me and as for the turbo cars there isnt any of the parts i couldent put on my car so i dont see that as a big dealas for a v8 you mean an 928 v8? and as for the swap i know exactly what is takes like i said i have most of the swap parts.

ernie9468

Forget the 928 v8 swap can't fit a 928 v8 in a 944,what he is talking about is a Chevy swap LS/LS1.Well documented on this forum ,do a search.

MAGK944

Never say can't Erinie, or some idiot will try and prove you wrong.

turbo325is

i would never put an ls in any thing, as far as im concerned it is an aluminum tractor engine. and you think it would be easior to stuff a v8 then a little audi engine..... and im prety sure i seen vidos of 944 with 928 engine in it

Dawgz83948

Ya because the above picture isn't a custom front tub or anything. 928 engine is too wide and waaayyyyy to heavy for a 944. The 928 engine out weighs the cast iron LT1/4 motor.

There's probably an ignorant fool elsewhere saying the same thing about the previous gen Lamborghini engines. The only difference is they'd be right, and you would still be dead wrong.

turbo325is

ok first of all i cant view that pic from my phone. scond i dont want a v8 third an ls1 makes 350hp and is 5.7 so that is 61hp per liter. an i3 geo metro makes 55hp per liter. so ya like i said the ls engines are a bag of rocks. so who is ignorant? not to mention have you even taken an ls engine appart? i have and its just an alumiun 350. engine tec from the 1950's.

ernie9468

[quote=MAGK944;9283696]Never say can't Erinie, or some idiot will try and prove you wrong.



The FABCar is a race car & doesn't have anything to do with a street car, specially the 83 NA presently own by the the OP,just to give you and idea of how wide & tall is a 928 motor take at look at this one out of the engine bay.Lol try to dump it in an 83 NA engine bay & see what happen.

MAGK944

^^ yes I know the 928 is way too big. Just pointing out that anything can be done or has probably been done before with a little fab work and the op stated that he's not averse to fabrication. He's going to be doing quite a bit to facilitate his swap but says he's up to it.

nasty9er

2 months....

Dawgz83948

Yes, I have taken an LS1 apart and NO they are not the same as the 1950 technology. LS1's only make 350hp (underrated) because of all the emissions equipment, remove that and you've gained 20-30hp. Building an LS to make actual power (with the associated torque) cost 1/4 as much as adding 50hp to a N/A 944 engine (BTW the precious 944 N/A motor only makes 60hp / L). HP/Liter is the spec the weak minded and uninformed look at, after all you don't drive a Honda, or do you? Sorry to interrupt your psychosis with facts.

You probably shouldn't talk about things you don't apparently know anything about.

V2Rocket

you can get a non-LSD 944 turbo tranny for like $500.

MAGK944

I see where turbo325is is coming from. The GM v8 is just a hp swap, lets face it there is nothing sophisticated about the block. It's a pushrod that gains most of its power from capacity. Not a bad thing if all you want is a basic and cheap package to gain more power from your 944. GM kept the dated pushrod design while others developed power from outside the short block in better ways, more efficient and less restrictive ways. I remember when the LS7 was introduced and they celebrated getting the engine to rev past 7k, a huge achievement for a pushrod and a figure that other manufacturers had surpassed many years ago in production engines.

Personally I'd like to see a more modern engine in a 944, something like the new BMW 2.0L turbo or the like. All aluminum, sequential twin-scroll turbo, direct injection, variable valve and cam timing, over 35mpg, very low emissions, over 120hp/lt. GM might get there in 20 years or so.

Dawgz83948

Heck, this is the one I really am watching with bated breath.....

http://944hybrids.forumotion.com/t16...sel-conversion

Obviously not practical in California.

That being said, I like the Chevy conversion for it's a) simplicity b) reliability c) inexpensive parts/rebuild d) tons of torque. I spin my LT1 to 6500rpms since the heads and cam are built for it. The lower end handles 7k in stock form just fine. If I were to go megasquirt or any aftermarket ECU I could easily spin past 7k. But RPM's isn't where it's at. Also you cannot compare a boosted I4 with a N/A V8. Add a turbo to my LT1 at 8psi and wheel hp will be right at 600hp (and cost me ~2400) which is 121hp/L. At that HP level I would break everything German in my drivetrain. What if I blow my motor? It'll cost me about $1400 to rebuild it with forged parts.

20 years? Don't you mean 5 years ago?

Saturn Sky Red Line

2.0 L LNF I4

260 hp (194 kW)

260 lb·ft (353 N·m)

Hmm it makes 130hp / L. Take it back to the dealer and pay $650 you now make 290hp and 340lb' with a factory warranty. What's that? 145hp/L, seems like BMW has some catching up to do, maybe in 5 years they'll catch up.

Many people don't have the foggiest clue as to what's made, and just keep recycling bad information.

Tabbasco

There are very few times I believe in mixing and matching engines and chassis but...

They did a comparison between the LS7 and a more efficient MB engine that produced equal numbers...

The LS7 not only had a lower center of gravity but it provided more torque and cost $50k less to mass produce...50,000 dollars less and was more reliable.

Oh the nail in the coffin was the LS7 produced better fuel mileage and emissions...don't argue the facts, the LS family of motors are the average man's supercar engines.

Finally, what engine has won GT1/S at LeMans the last 8/10 years...Pushrod engines from Detroit.

These motors just happen to fit nicely in the 944 chassis...and once my 2 944 motors blowup, I am looking at a LS swap...

MAGK944

That was a good engine, originally designed and built by Opel engineers in Germany. I think it was fitted in the Opel GT way back in the 70's. Yes GM owns Opel, but I wouldn't call that innovation anywhere close to what GM can produce here in the USA.