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04-21-2011, 12:17 PM
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either way you should start out by reading turbo books.
You have a lot of things to think about and make work together, like the engine management, placement, fabrication, tuning, logging, and safeties.
I would suggest these for the first batch.
http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Boost-...3397455&sr=8-9
http://www.amazon.com/Induction-Perf...3397563&sr=8-1
That last one is a doozy...
You have a lot of things to think about and make work together, like the engine management, placement, fabrication, tuning, logging, and safeties.
I would suggest these for the first batch.
http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Boost-...3397455&sr=8-9
http://www.amazon.com/Induction-Perf...3397563&sr=8-1
That last one is a doozy...
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finance your own racing program vs staying low-boost, N/A, ect....
from the 944T forum.....
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...his-board.html
Is anyone alive out there ?? What happened to this board ?
I posted the following question over an hour ago
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...oo-easy-2.html
Hey Guys,
I have two WG dump tubes. The one on the left is my stock 88TS dump tube (with a bracket on the flange). The one on the right is an 86 pipe from an Escort car. Does anyone know where that flange on my stock WG dump pipe bolts on to? I know the WG bolts up to the bracket on the torque tube but I am unclear where the Flange bracket on my stock dump tube, bolts to?
Thanks in advance
Ed
Years ago there would have been a line of answers a block long.....
Today .... nothin'
Really sad... Where has all the knowledge gone ?
since this is a Quinn-Martin Production, i thought i'd walk the green mile and post Ed's answer here.... i might (might) take less crap for it. but then again, i reckon that's not likely— anyway,
the 944 Turbo ranks just behind the Ferrari F-40 and Porsche 9-5-9 as my favorite '80s cars.... other than the F-40, it's the only car from that decade (that i know about) that can go over 150 mph, and handle every bit as good as it goes fast.
outside of that, i really don't know much about the 944 Turbo. i'm a casual observer; nevertheless, based on what i've read mostly lurking on the two 944 boards the past couple of years, many pm's exchanged when i was considering the turbo option for my 968, and all i've heard around garages, etc over the past 20 + years of P-car ownership (including when i also had a 944 and 928), to me, the message i've received, sounds something like this:
"the factory built a conservative, detuned, 220~250 hp car to make sure it never beat the 911—FOUL.... but not only that, we now have access to better engine management... so by running the right turbo, chips, etc, turning big numbers on the dyno is as easy as 1-2-3...."
some people seem to take this as the gospel truth... and maybe not only the proper way to run these cars, but the ONLY way to go. nothing bad will happen... "i know it's gonna be the guy with the inferior engine build, the guy who fails in keeping fresh caps, rotors, plugs, wires, filters, or even just skimps on fuel.... i'll never be the one who posts, 'I put the _____ racing boost enhancer on my 944T last week, and within a few days my wastegate failed...' that'll never be me."
but when these engines detonate under normal use; warmup, bad weather, gas, or maybe it's a fuel filter going bad or a fuel/air mapping or other ignition/intermittent firing issue, shyte happens. even under low-boost conditions, with these 25 year old cars, with their crusty dme's the day may soon come when you get a blown head gasket, and if coolant gets in the oil, ahead of noticable gasket failure, then you've got real trouble; there could be scoring of the cylinders, microscopic cracking or worse....
944T program or 944T racing program ?
seems i've read about a rash of engine deaths in recent months. privately, everyone says basically, the same thing; 'that's from running too much boost, or more than he was sayin.'
well, things can get expensive very quickly, and in this economy fewer and fewer owners can afford to make quick, (yes, if it takes you off the road for a given time, these are major) repairs. and as the guys get older, with more responsibilities, it gets harder and harder to justify the huge outlay of cash to keep these engines running so close to meltdown.... to get the same perfromance, after sourcing a relatively cheap (by 944 T standards) 5.3 or 5.7 litre, Gen 3 or 4 chevy small block, you can have a supercar powerplant (power to weight ratio) comparatively, for just a few thousand dollars.
the scrapyard nearest to my home has a low-mile 5.3 litre for $750.00. get one and you're just the 'swap-in' parts away from having something that performs WAY better than any over-boosted 2.5 litre.
when you visit the other forums here, you'll discover many former 944 T people with fond memories of previous ownership who've simply moved on to 968s, Boxsters, Caymans and 911s. and the next group of kids that might ordinarily be there to take their place, don't exactly have Porsche 944s on their minds... or anywhere near the money or wrenching knowledge that a long-term 944T program can involve.... at best, the kids are driving japanese cast off cars w/ fart can mufflers.
and for that matter, how many 928s, 911 SC's, and 964s are people really making a big fuss over these days? i'm lucky if i see 1 of each on the road during any given year. the only place i ever see 944s is florida. i've seen four in the past 2 years, and i drive all over the country, a lot.
other owners might not say it, but they may already have an eye on the exits... you can barely even sell a 944 or turbo anymore. there are the few rare exceptions, but it's become a niche market. when they do decide to move on, they discover the general public already has, and it's more economically feasible to part these near-exotic cars to the rapidly shrinking numbers of addicts (parting? i'm still in astonishment). anyway, it can summarily argued that the 944T is gradually going extinct. but if you ever mention it here....
when engines go bad, instead of scrapping the cars, just pull the engine and get whatever you can for the parts from the guys that love wrenching. enjoy the cars near stock boost. otherwise, when the effin' thing blows up, just go Chevy.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...his-board.html
Is anyone alive out there ?? What happened to this board ?
I posted the following question over an hour ago
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...oo-easy-2.html
Hey Guys,
I have two WG dump tubes. The one on the left is my stock 88TS dump tube (with a bracket on the flange). The one on the right is an 86 pipe from an Escort car. Does anyone know where that flange on my stock WG dump pipe bolts on to? I know the WG bolts up to the bracket on the torque tube but I am unclear where the Flange bracket on my stock dump tube, bolts to?
Thanks in advance
Ed
Years ago there would have been a line of answers a block long.....
Today .... nothin'
Really sad... Where has all the knowledge gone ?
since this is a Quinn-Martin Production, i thought i'd walk the green mile and post Ed's answer here.... i might (might) take less crap for it. but then again, i reckon that's not likely— anyway,
the 944 Turbo ranks just behind the Ferrari F-40 and Porsche 9-5-9 as my favorite '80s cars.... other than the F-40, it's the only car from that decade (that i know about) that can go over 150 mph, and handle every bit as good as it goes fast.
outside of that, i really don't know much about the 944 Turbo. i'm a casual observer; nevertheless, based on what i've read mostly lurking on the two 944 boards the past couple of years, many pm's exchanged when i was considering the turbo option for my 968, and all i've heard around garages, etc over the past 20 + years of P-car ownership (including when i also had a 944 and 928), to me, the message i've received, sounds something like this:
"the factory built a conservative, detuned, 220~250 hp car to make sure it never beat the 911—FOUL.... but not only that, we now have access to better engine management... so by running the right turbo, chips, etc, turning big numbers on the dyno is as easy as 1-2-3...."
some people seem to take this as the gospel truth... and maybe not only the proper way to run these cars, but the ONLY way to go. nothing bad will happen... "i know it's gonna be the guy with the inferior engine build, the guy who fails in keeping fresh caps, rotors, plugs, wires, filters, or even just skimps on fuel.... i'll never be the one who posts, 'I put the _____ racing boost enhancer on my 944T last week, and within a few days my wastegate failed...' that'll never be me."
but when these engines detonate under normal use; warmup, bad weather, gas, or maybe it's a fuel filter going bad or a fuel/air mapping or other ignition/intermittent firing issue, shyte happens. even under low-boost conditions, with these 25 year old cars, with their crusty dme's the day may soon come when you get a blown head gasket, and if coolant gets in the oil, ahead of noticable gasket failure, then you've got real trouble; there could be scoring of the cylinders, microscopic cracking or worse....
944T program or 944T racing program ?
seems i've read about a rash of engine deaths in recent months. privately, everyone says basically, the same thing; 'that's from running too much boost, or more than he was sayin.'
well, things can get expensive very quickly, and in this economy fewer and fewer owners can afford to make quick, (yes, if it takes you off the road for a given time, these are major) repairs. and as the guys get older, with more responsibilities, it gets harder and harder to justify the huge outlay of cash to keep these engines running so close to meltdown.... to get the same perfromance, after sourcing a relatively cheap (by 944 T standards) 5.3 or 5.7 litre, Gen 3 or 4 chevy small block, you can have a supercar powerplant (power to weight ratio) comparatively, for just a few thousand dollars.
the scrapyard nearest to my home has a low-mile 5.3 litre for $750.00. get one and you're just the 'swap-in' parts away from having something that performs WAY better than any over-boosted 2.5 litre.
when you visit the other forums here, you'll discover many former 944 T people with fond memories of previous ownership who've simply moved on to 968s, Boxsters, Caymans and 911s. and the next group of kids that might ordinarily be there to take their place, don't exactly have Porsche 944s on their minds... or anywhere near the money or wrenching knowledge that a long-term 944T program can involve.... at best, the kids are driving japanese cast off cars w/ fart can mufflers.
and for that matter, how many 928s, 911 SC's, and 964s are people really making a big fuss over these days? i'm lucky if i see 1 of each on the road during any given year. the only place i ever see 944s is florida. i've seen four in the past 2 years, and i drive all over the country, a lot.
other owners might not say it, but they may already have an eye on the exits... you can barely even sell a 944 or turbo anymore. there are the few rare exceptions, but it's become a niche market. when they do decide to move on, they discover the general public already has, and it's more economically feasible to part these near-exotic cars to the rapidly shrinking numbers of addicts (parting? i'm still in astonishment). anyway, it can summarily argued that the 944T is gradually going extinct. but if you ever mention it here....
when engines go bad, instead of scrapping the cars, just pull the engine and get whatever you can for the parts from the guys that love wrenching. enjoy the cars near stock boost. otherwise, when the effin' thing blows up, just go Chevy.
04-21-2011, 02:33 PM
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from the 944T forum.....
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...his-board.html
since this is a Quinn-Martin Production, i thought i'd walk the green mile and post Ed's answer here.... i might (might) take less crap for it. but then again, i reckon that's not likely— anyway,
the 944 Turbo ranks just behind the Ferrari F-40 and Porsche 9-5-9 as my favorite '80s cars.... other than the F-40, it's the only car from that decade (that i know about) that can go over 150 mph, and handle every bit as good as it goes fast.
outside of that, i really don't know much about the 944 Turbo. i'm a casual observer; nevertheless, based on what i've read mostly lurking on the two 944 boards the past couple of years, many pm's exchanged when i was considering the turbo option for my 968, and all i've heard around garages, etc over the past 20 + years of P-car ownership (including when i also had a 944 and 928), to me, the message i've received, sounds something like this:
"the factory built a conservative, detuned, 220~250 hp car to make sure it never beat the 911—FOUL.... but not only that, we now have access to better engine management... so by running the right turbo, chips, etc, turning big numbers on the dyno is as easy as 1-2-3...."
some people seem to take this as the gospel truth... and maybe not only the proper way to run these cars, but the ONLY way to go. nothing bad will happen... "i know it's gonna be the guy with the inferior engine build, the guy who fails in keeping fresh caps, rotors, plugs, wires, filters, or even just skimps on fuel.... i'll never be the one who posts, 'I put the _____ racing boost enhancer on my 944T last week, and within a few days my wastegate failed...' that'll never be me."
but when these engines detonate under normal use; warmup, bad weather, gas, or maybe it's a fuel filter going bad or a fuel/air mapping or other ignition/intermittent firing issue, shyte happens. even under low-boost conditions, with these 25 year old cars, with their crusty dme's the day may soon come when you get a blown head gasket, and if coolant gets in the oil, ahead of noticable gasket failure, then you've got real trouble; there could be scoring of the cylinders, microscopic cracking or worse....
944T program or 944T racing program ?
seems i've read about a rash of engine deaths in recent months. privately, everyone says basically, the same thing; 'that's from running too much boost, or more than he was sayin.'
well, things can get expensive very quickly, and in this economy fewer and fewer owners can afford to make quick, (yes, if it takes you off the road for a given time, these are major) repairs. and as the guys get older, with more responsibilities, it gets harder and harder to justify the huge outlay of cash to keep these engines running so close to meltdown.... to get the same perfromance, after sourcing a relatively cheap (by 944 T standards) 5.3 or 5.7 litre, Gen 3 or 4 chevy small block, you can have a supercar powerplant (power to weight ratio) comparatively, for just a few thousand dollars.
the scrapyard nearest to my home has a low-mile 5.3 litre for $750.00. get one and you're just the 'swap-in' parts away from having something that performs WAY better than any over-boosted 2.5 litre.
when you visit the other forums here, you'll discover many former 944 T people with fond memories of previous ownership who've simply moved on to 968s, Boxsters, Caymans and 911s. and the next group of kids that might ordinarily be there to take their place, don't exactly have Porsche 944s on their minds... or anywhere near the money or wrenching knowledge that a long-term 944T program can involve.... at best, the kids are driving japanese cast off cars w/ fart can mufflers.
and for that matter, how many 928s, 911 SC's, and 964s are people really making a big fuss over these days? i'm lucky if i see 1 of each on the road during any given year. the only place i ever see 944s is florida. i've seen four in the past 2 years, and i drive all over the country, a lot.
other owners might not say it, but they may already have an eye on the exits... you can barely even sell a 944 or turbo anymore. there are the few rare exceptions, but it's become a niche market. when they do decide to move on, they discover the general public already has, and it's more economically feasible to part these near-exotic cars to the rapidly shrinking numbers of addicts (parting? i'm still in astonishment). anyway, it can summarily argued that the 944T is gradually going extinct. but if you ever mention it here....
when engines go bad, instead of scrapping the cars, just pull the engine and get whatever you can for the parts from the guys that love wrenching. enjoy the cars near stock boost. otherwise, when the effin' thing blows up, just go Chevy.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...his-board.html
since this is a Quinn-Martin Production, i thought i'd walk the green mile and post Ed's answer here.... i might (might) take less crap for it. but then again, i reckon that's not likely— anyway,
the 944 Turbo ranks just behind the Ferrari F-40 and Porsche 9-5-9 as my favorite '80s cars.... other than the F-40, it's the only car from that decade (that i know about) that can go over 150 mph, and handle every bit as good as it goes fast.
outside of that, i really don't know much about the 944 Turbo. i'm a casual observer; nevertheless, based on what i've read mostly lurking on the two 944 boards the past couple of years, many pm's exchanged when i was considering the turbo option for my 968, and all i've heard around garages, etc over the past 20 + years of P-car ownership (including when i also had a 944 and 928), to me, the message i've received, sounds something like this:
"the factory built a conservative, detuned, 220~250 hp car to make sure it never beat the 911—FOUL.... but not only that, we now have access to better engine management... so by running the right turbo, chips, etc, turning big numbers on the dyno is as easy as 1-2-3...."
some people seem to take this as the gospel truth... and maybe not only the proper way to run these cars, but the ONLY way to go. nothing bad will happen... "i know it's gonna be the guy with the inferior engine build, the guy who fails in keeping fresh caps, rotors, plugs, wires, filters, or even just skimps on fuel.... i'll never be the one who posts, 'I put the _____ racing boost enhancer on my 944T last week, and within a few days my wastegate failed...' that'll never be me."
but when these engines detonate under normal use; warmup, bad weather, gas, or maybe it's a fuel filter going bad or a fuel/air mapping or other ignition/intermittent firing issue, shyte happens. even under low-boost conditions, with these 25 year old cars, with their crusty dme's the day may soon come when you get a blown head gasket, and if coolant gets in the oil, ahead of noticable gasket failure, then you've got real trouble; there could be scoring of the cylinders, microscopic cracking or worse....
944T program or 944T racing program ?
seems i've read about a rash of engine deaths in recent months. privately, everyone says basically, the same thing; 'that's from running too much boost, or more than he was sayin.'
well, things can get expensive very quickly, and in this economy fewer and fewer owners can afford to make quick, (yes, if it takes you off the road for a given time, these are major) repairs. and as the guys get older, with more responsibilities, it gets harder and harder to justify the huge outlay of cash to keep these engines running so close to meltdown.... to get the same perfromance, after sourcing a relatively cheap (by 944 T standards) 5.3 or 5.7 litre, Gen 3 or 4 chevy small block, you can have a supercar powerplant (power to weight ratio) comparatively, for just a few thousand dollars.
the scrapyard nearest to my home has a low-mile 5.3 litre for $750.00. get one and you're just the 'swap-in' parts away from having something that performs WAY better than any over-boosted 2.5 litre.
when you visit the other forums here, you'll discover many former 944 T people with fond memories of previous ownership who've simply moved on to 968s, Boxsters, Caymans and 911s. and the next group of kids that might ordinarily be there to take their place, don't exactly have Porsche 944s on their minds... or anywhere near the money or wrenching knowledge that a long-term 944T program can involve.... at best, the kids are driving japanese cast off cars w/ fart can mufflers.
and for that matter, how many 928s, 911 SC's, and 964s are people really making a big fuss over these days? i'm lucky if i see 1 of each on the road during any given year. the only place i ever see 944s is florida. i've seen four in the past 2 years, and i drive all over the country, a lot.
other owners might not say it, but they may already have an eye on the exits... you can barely even sell a 944 or turbo anymore. there are the few rare exceptions, but it's become a niche market. when they do decide to move on, they discover the general public already has, and it's more economically feasible to part these near-exotic cars to the rapidly shrinking numbers of addicts (parting? i'm still in astonishment). anyway, it can summarily argued that the 944T is gradually going extinct. but if you ever mention it here....
when engines go bad, instead of scrapping the cars, just pull the engine and get whatever you can for the parts from the guys that love wrenching. enjoy the cars near stock boost. otherwise, when the effin' thing blows up, just go Chevy.
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04-21-2011, 02:43 PM
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I have noticed that most threads regarding anything lately get dragged into a LX swap conversation... which is just idiotic IMHO. If I wanted an American V8 in my car I would have bought a Camaro, and changed my name to Debbie.
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despite what you might think going V8 isn't actually considered taboo in these circles nowadays....
Ed's thread asks 'where have all the REAL p-car people gone.'
my answer was a good many of them have had engine failures in the past few years....
and now they're driving Boxsters, Caymans and 911s or some other worse incarnation of automobiles.
your thread:
sounds like we might have another GOING TURBO case on our hands.
about four years after you GO TURBO you'll be goin' Chevy or be just plain gone.
see you there.
btw, we've had a rash of 968 guys new to the forum lately....
one of the guys posted this. one of the best photos ever and 1 more reason to never go '911...'
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Ed's thread asks 'where have all the REAL p-car people gone.'
my answer was a good many of them have had engine failures in the past few years....
and now they're driving Boxsters, Caymans and 911s or some other worse incarnation of automobiles.
your thread:
sounds like we might have another GOING TURBO case on our hands.
about four years after you GO TURBO you'll be goin' Chevy or be just plain gone.
see you there.
btw, we've had a rash of 968 guys new to the forum lately....
one of the guys posted this. one of the best photos ever and 1 more reason to never go '911...'
/
04-21-2011, 02:48 PM
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I find it amusing that over on the "hot rod"/classic car scene there is the same debate over putting Chevy motors into everything. Current cost to rebuild to stock a flathead Ford engine that produces a "claimed" 100 HP = $4k+; cost to drop in an LS motor that makes 4x the power, and will last 3x as long, maybe half that. No one else makes an engine as light, compact, and versatile at the costs Chevy does. On the other hand, I personally know guys who have sunk $30k into a blown flathead that will barely make 300 HP.
The avatar makes these posts worthwhile anyway....
04-21-2011, 02:48 PM
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Ed's thread asks 'where have all the REAL p-car people gone.'
my answer was a good many of them have had engine failures in the past few years....
and now they're driving Boxsters, Caymans and 911s.
and it also sounds like we might have another GOING TURBO case on our hands.
about four years after you GO TURBO you'll be goin' Chevy or just plain gone.
see you there.
my answer was a good many of them have had engine failures in the past few years....
and now they're driving Boxsters, Caymans and 911s.
and it also sounds like we might have another GOING TURBO case on our hands.
about four years after you GO TURBO you'll be goin' Chevy or just plain gone.
see you there.