ideola

The block, rods, crank, oil pickup, oil pump, and water pump are the same, but that's where the interchangeability ends. Here are some of the key differences between NA and 931 motor and driveline:

• pistons
• head
• combustion chamber
• injectors
• CIS system (fuel dizzy, WUR, AFM)
• Exhaust manifold & mounting arrangement
• Intake manifold & mounting arrangement
• Throttle bodies, depending on what year you get
• Flywheel
• Torque tube (NA=20mm, 931=25mm)
• Clutch (different disc; NA=cable, 931=hydraulic)
• Pressure Plate
• Ignition distributor
• Alternator mounts (same alt, but completely different locations)
• Starter (NA=clockwise, 931=counter-clockwise...same unit as 944)

Don't mention it. Happy to help in any way I can. You will also benefit greatly from seeking other opinions at 924board.org...encourage you to sign up there, even as a prospective buyer. I have my opinions and views on these cars, but there are lots of other varying and contrasting opinions there that you may find insightful. Very interested to see how this turns out!

Tom R.

i dont get the logic here. buy the car for 3k, put another 2k into it for performance and have a 5k 924 with less performance than a 5k 924S because of some stripes that make the car unique, but less unique because of the 2k in mods.

if you buy it, i say keep it stock, enjoy it for what it is, and when bored sell it and move on. any modifications to a time piece albeit a very low value timepiece doesnt make sense.

If this 33 year old car was destined to be your DD it would be another story.

ideola

It's fairly routine (at least in the Motor City) for enthusiasts to do non-destructive modifications to "time piece" cars, while keeping the original bits for later restoration. Nothing wrong with that, if it increases the enjoyment for the owner.

As for justification? IMO, there's no rational financial justification for ANY of us that are sinking $$$ into these 20-30 year old cars...

pcarfan944

It is what it is, a car from another era. Leave it alone, keep it original, and enjoy having a limitied edition 924 as Porsche intended it to be. There can't be too many left and as enthusiasts of the marque we should preserve what we can. They're just old cars right now but years down the road, they'll be collectable, and i'll bet there will be regrets about hacking so many up.

944CS

That would be an awesome car to swap an entire early 944 drivetrain into.....like a lightweight 924S, but even cooler because it's actually a special model

Marcquito

Sure, it's rare, but it's undesirable and cheap to buy. Not really a collector car... I don't see a problem modifying it. It would increase its potential for a resale in the future, in my opinion.

A 5 lug conversion with all of the turbo brake bits would make this car much better. Calipers repainted in the martini scheme... mmm...

drift a 944

Haha well.... glad to see many mixed opinions!!

To be honest I think Marc is most on point with what my ideas are. Modifying it tastefully is the key and I think if it's accomplished right, people might be willing to pay a little more for a job well done. I don't expect this car to be a concours condition car and I don't find as much personal enjoyment in restoring a car as I do modifying one. If it is in concours condition I would probably pass it up and let someone else buy the car who will preserve its condition better than me. Anyways I am not too concerned with the resale value, because I am probably going to loose money on the car regardless. I am not looking to buy this car to just flip it. I just think it would be a cool car to have and a fun project that would be a new challenge. That is all

After all, I could always save all the original parts as ideola suggests in case anyone is really looking for that particular car and expecting it to be in near original condition.

Who knows, I haven't even seen the car yet, so there is still a high chance I might not get the car at all. Just trying to learn a lot about them and understand what everyone's take is on them. So keep the ideas and/or opinions coming, they are all appreciated!

ideola

That is the key statement right there. 5-lug for sure, and depending on budget, full-on modified 2.0L motor

931GT

If you're looking for something to modify... this might be a better choice.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CALIF...item27b27a8787

Of course its screaming for a 951 driveline.

sTyleR

Oh, that car looks sweet!

drift a 944

^^ Awesome car, but it looks like all the fun stuff has already been done! I need a clean slate to work with.

Tim Comeau

A Championship Edition "Martini" 924 sold in May of 2011 for $7300 on Flea bay. Might want to hang on to those original parts......

River

Just had one of those pop up here in town.

It was up on craigslist for close to 2k.

Do a CL search, there is one up for ten grand with 35k miles.

Doubtful he'll get it. It's like those guys with a 951 with 40k miles and they want 18k for it, lol! Not gunna happen...

mazdaverx7

kinda digging up some bones here, lol

personally, since there are not really any "rare" 924's out there, i would leave the Martini edition bone stock. it would make a nice driver and in time the value can increase. imo, there's nothing wrong with a nice Martini edition. i think they are beautiful cars. the first car i ever drove was a Martini edition..so i'm kind of biased, lol. if the original poster bought the car, i'd love to see pics!

odurandina

to remind us of a happier time.... before Porsche blew the lid off mass divided by brute force.....




this has to be the most outlandish, and extremely insane idea i've ever heard... can't think of anything more fun than spending 9 grand so i can get 35 extra horsepowers just in time for the thing to break down every 3 days before it finally explodes and maybe even kills somebody.... all for a car that's worth all of 652 dollars.


but for slightly better results.... you might consider buying a 1970 Chevy Nova with a straight-six 250 in it and then you drop in a 427 small block.


here's one of my favorite anti-****boxes proving that back in the day, somebody read the f ucking manual.







straight out of hotrodding 101.






more totally obscene; maximum gain for minimum effort ****.....