whalebird

No accusation. It's racing. Tapping the brakes at the start, or slightly holding back is a common thing. So much so that anyone behind you will stab the throttle if they see brakelights-thats the danger.
Man, that is the the best 15 seconds I've seen in a while. Dude's got some ***** regardless.
I didn't mean to sound contrary.

Van

The video is from a fellow 'lister named Sean. It was from the Watkins Glen race last weekend.

I doubt Karl hit the brakes at the race start. It's the responsibility of the pole setters to maintain a steady speed until they see the green flag - but people behind the pole are always eager to jump the start a little bit. I'd say he might have just been a split second slower getting on the gas.

I've run with Karl at other races, and the first time I met him, I was impressed that he had about 30 different spring sets in his trailer, and he'd be swapping them between practice sessions to find the best combination. I'd also imagine that he's had that car on the 7-post shaker - like his 996:

67King

Rules are that you can run wheel width of what was available as OEM +1 inch. M030 Turbos had, to my knowledge anyway, 7's and 8's (Turbo S had 9's in the rears, but 7's up front - and they are F-stock anyway). However, the S2 with the M030 package had 7.5's and 9's. The S2 also had the bigger brakes, if I am not mistaken.

The ironic thing in all of this? Karl has petitioned PCA to allow the turbos to run the same size wheels and tires, because he thinks it will make better racing.

Geldfalle 944

That video is just fun to watch. Que it up to some good music.

Van

I run a turbo S with 10" and 8" wide wheels... and Karl is still quite a bit faster than me!

whalebird

Without a doubt, when active guys like this get involved, it's better for all of us. Especially the fact that Racers Edge is out there on the track instead of just crafting big ads for the magazines.
I love their stuff myself.

67King

Karl was racing long before Racer's Edge. He had another S2, and was mid-pack. Developed some parts for it, and immediatley went to the front. About that time, he had to assess how much he was spending on racing, and decided to turn Racer's Edge into a business. That's what I recall about him telling me the history.

I love their stuff, too. I'll be talking to him soon about a cage, as well.

333pg333

I always thought all the turbos came with 7.5"s and 9"s regardless of vintage. They have different offset suspension/wheels but the size of the wheels were the same. The early model turbos had a smaller caliper than the S versions. My S had what we call 'Medium Blacks'. Same as a 928 S4 and also the 944 S2...so I still don't get the disparity in your race rules?

I actually had my guards rolled yesterday on my '86 turbo. I run 10"x18" all round but wanted to lower the car. Now that we've fitted some of Karl's camber plates I can lower the car again without losing free travel of the front struts. Yay! Should make things a lot better than here where the car held it's own against a rather fancy RS...as well as 2nd gear syncro and a few other issues

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX99Ac_Yie4

odurandina

didn't notice him braking at all


btw, is it a malfunction on my computer or is the car for sale ?


http://www.racersedge-inc.com/racers...A00740BB3?Open

Oddjob

Not sure how 951s and S2s were delivered in Aus. but that is not the way the came to North America or other RoW locations. Front calipers were the same size as the rears on non-M030/Turbo S cars.

This is straying somewhat off topic, as Karl's S2 is in SP3 class, no
longer a stock E or progressed F car per PCA Club Racing Stock Class
Rules.

Having raced an E class (former F class) 87 951 for several years:

The k26/6 951s came with 7s and 8s, so can only run 8s and 9s per PCA Club
Racing Stock Class Rules.

As mentioned, S2s (with the M030 option) came with 7.5s and 9s, so can run
8.5s and 10s.

The two big differences between the S2s and regular Turbos (for PCA E
Stock) is the 15% shorter S2 gearing (3.875 r/p), and the M030/Turbo S
brakes are allowed on the S2s. The wheel size also can give some
advantage to the S2, because its not ideal to fit a 285/30/18 tire on a 9"
rim. A 275/40/17 fits on a 9 ok - but again the problem is that it
increases the final drive which is already too tall on the 951s.

Advantages do vary somewhat track to track (long/short/high speed/hard
braking, etc).

Powerwise, a legal 951 can still pull a legal S2 on long straights. But
dont assume all front running cars in any class are 100% legal.

The 3.0 16v motor and even the 964 3.6 motor does not make more mid range
torque than a 951 - on the track (if you ever are below 3500-4k rpm in any
corner, you missed a downshift). Peak torques are lower (ft-lbs) and at a
higher rpm than the 951. Even with the taller gearing, a 951 can nearly
stay with an S2 out of a corner, and can actually gain some ground on a
964 (964s have slightly taller gearing than 951s). But the 964s will
start walking away from a 951 further down the straights, at higher rpm.
It's a cat and mouse game with an S2, due to the shift points. The
shorter the track, the S2 will have a greater advantage.

Neither the S2 nor the 951 are competitive against the Euro spec SC in E.

The K26/8 Turbo S cars are very competitive in F, as is the 964 C2. But
possibly the best car for F is a progressed K26/6 951. Can run with the
S2 R/P, big brakes, big wheels, and DME chip and weighs 100+ lbs less than
the Turbo S and 964 C2.

Van

It's been for sale for a few years... I guess everything has a price!!!

whalebird

He's not braking, he's holding back. It's quite obvious. It's racing. No accusation of any kind intended. He seems to know exactly where he is on the track and knows exactly where he is going. He is surrounded by some serious hardware and gets out front quickly. It can be advantagous to create a glut behind you, but can get you ***-packed real quick.
Good racing and neat video.

67King

Karl has four race cars - the S2, two 996's, and a BMW. They are all "for sale," as he claims he has too many cars. The red S2 is not his first. He had a blue one before that.

67King

No accusation of any kind? Earlier you claimed that sandbagging is dangerous. Now you are claiming he is holding back. Um......not sure what you are saying, but it looks to me like you are making a pretty big accusation that he is sandbagging, and thereby creating a dangerous situation. Whether or not you or anyone else has a problem with that is neither here nor there, but it reads to me like you are accusing him of sand bagging. And I'm calling BS on you.

roman944

dude that is VERY awesome

looks like you could have passed him