JohnKoaWood

Not making it to the fest will the 951 be this year... but I and it are getting even more crazy in the mean time...

m73m95

I don't agree with a lot of the stuff you say ..... but this I agree with whole heartedly.


I plan to make the best of both worlds..... Even though its a farce. They are the same car with mildly different attachments.

odurandina

i agree with most of what Spence has to say... but not this time.


not significant enough weight differences in these cars. they can all be made to work WELL.


depends more on how the car's suspensions have been maintained... are they running better wheels and tires ?? -- i've removed weight from my car w/ the seat delete, about a 70 pound lighter exhaust and sport seats... w/ running bigger wheels, huge rotors and calipers, i've lost some acceleration,


but with the dampening effect of the tires, the extra unsprung weight which is probably helping a bit to anchor the car, doesn't seem so bad...


the thing just grips to the end of time, no matter what i do.... and i've done some things in my car maybe i shouldn't have, but, the car is pretty solid... if i chang the fenders and hood to cf, something worth doing ? bad idea ?



this video is the virginia raceway. it isn't me but it does remind me of my car.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SyC...eature=related




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erxGi8b81zE&NR=1

m73m95

The "" was to imply I was joking.....

odurandina

Q: what would the Bruins have done if they had ever been lucky enough to draft him ?


A: he would have been shipped out of town with all the other great players they dumped overboard through the years.... of course.

toddk911

Obvioulsy your focusing on modded cars for those times.

That being said, I would only want an NA if keeping fairly stock becuase it is WAYYY more expensive and time consuming to modify an NA car vs forced induction.

Take a bone stock good condition 951 + chip + MAF = 300hp give or take for less than an hours work and a couple hundred bucks. No way to get those kinds of gains that easily with NA car.

M758

No that is not what I mean. the 944 NA is ligther and tossable means steering response. It is easier to throw into a corner. This means less effort to get it to turn. The reason for it that Turbo uses more tire, more weight, and the stiffer suspension. So all that makes it feel more planted and harder to toss into a corner.

Clearly a 944 Turbo can corner faster than 944 NA, but on streets or even a tight track that lighter weight of the NA will make the car feel faster and in some cases produce faster lap times. Higher speeds and longer steady state corners will suit the Turbos much more.

M758

Look for any 944 NA (3.5L or 3.0L) The power you have stock is about it. You are not going to see alot more without speding $$$$$$$$ to get there. So if from day 1 these cars don't have the accell you crave it will never get better.

Turbos have room for growth. They can gain big power without much expense. The is easy access to power makes them good straight line cars. All NA cars tend to be more balacne cars since about all you can do is make them better handling cars. Plus the power deliver in turbo car is very exitting. Nothing at low revs then bang. Power. That makes it fee faster than a smoother NA power delivery.

Still having owned any tracked both NA's and Turbos they are different cars. For street driving I prefer the turbo. Why? a 250hp turbo has enough juice on street to get around anything. A 150 hp NA... Not so much. On the track I like the NA cars most because the operating costs are less. Smaller tires, smaller brakes, not desire to turn up the boost. Fun in a package where I mush drive it hard in the corners. Plus it fun passing turbos and cars with 200 more hp than my 944.

lart951

Now let's keep fantasies off this thread, facts please.

M758

Hey have run in DE3 with my race car and been held up by 944 Turbos and gotten point bys. Of course we are comparing a race prepped 2450 lbs 944 NA vs a 3200lbs 944 Turbo on street tires with driver with much still much to learn, but hey... I did do it. Oh... that was with a passenger in my race car too.

odurandina

you're running a 350 sbc right ? must be a friggin' blast.





a 968 is designed to go better than the 236 hp engine can deliver... drop a 968 engine in your car and within a few days, you'll be dreaming of more power. i can't imagine what having 100 more horsepower and limited slip could do for our cars.


so, why more power ? the cars are great, but in the end you need it to make up for the lack of torque.

Dougs951

^LT1 actually.

odurandina

good motor. a bit of an oddball, they were in production for only a few years... not really that much of an advantage over any well built sbc... lighter heads, reverse flow. weird motor for sure. but it can make a lot of power and a ton of abuse.

that car must screw - pull all the way to 170 mph, long as he's running a good exhaust and the T box.

CyCloNe!

With the little experience I have I must say that if I was going to choose a car that had equal everything but one was N/A the other Turbo I would be tempted on taking the N/A just cause of the sheer fact it's all engine power and likely less problems (i.e. turbo, wastegate, bov, controllers, fuel managment).

But the feel of the Turbo as it boosts is priceless in itself... I love driving my 951, funest car I've owned... Would I take a 944 LS1 over it.... tough choice.

I've never driven a N/A 944 or even sat in one, so if your near Virginia Beach let me know lol.

lovemyp-car

no turbo box yet...that's one thing i still haven't had the chance to do. once doug and i get the wiring back together it will hopefully have no problems pulling strong up past 140. doug has experienced one simulation where we did a pull from a stop sign to 103 i think it was...that 911 in front of me was quite surprised.

the lt1 does have some interesting quirks about it, it's definitely the mix and match link between the sbc and the ls motors. just wish they made an aluminum block version!! i find the LT1 very easy to work on, heck of a lot easier than the 2.5L rubber band motor.