MAF confusion....how do I choose??
03-10-2002, 03:34 AM
#61
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beab951, as I understand it, Luke got a discount, since he nhad to wait an unexpectedly longer time fr turbo than he anticipated. The stage 1 sells for $999.00 I think, so it looks like he got a pretty good deal like me.. 
03-10-2002, 03:47 AM
#63
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Personally, I chose the MAF as a starting point for future upgrades, as John states, more air/fuel=more hp..!
If you go the chip, BE, other mods route, you'll have an investment that will be useless later..
Re: Mass produced parts.
As with the turbo, Tim described above, the pipes, and inlet tubes are "custom" and made to your own specification. I challenge someone to call Autothority, and request a fitting for a Godzilla blow off valve or such.
This is the point I constantly try to make when people compare "generic" or "mass produced" kits, with custom made stuff. One look at the quality of SFR's work, and you'll realize it's worth the extra $. Compared to eqivellant "kits", they are no more expensive...
If you go the chip, BE, other mods route, you'll have an investment that will be useless later..
Re: Mass produced parts.
As with the turbo, Tim described above, the pipes, and inlet tubes are "custom" and made to your own specification. I challenge someone to call Autothority, and request a fitting for a Godzilla blow off valve or such.
This is the point I constantly try to make when people compare "generic" or "mass produced" kits, with custom made stuff. One look at the quality of SFR's work, and you'll realize it's worth the extra $. Compared to eqivellant "kits", they are no more expensive...
03-10-2002, 03:55 AM
#64
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Yes, there is, what they really need is the hotside. The amount of those avaliable is finite.
I think they waived the core charge also for Luke in this case for the reasons stated above..
All turbo sellers will require a core, even if it's not stated on the site or add for example, JMilledge has a "group 1" or something on his site, but he contacted me when I inquired and made it clear that he'd need a complete S type with # 8 hotside from me to supply the turbo.
I think after reflection Luke will agree he did get a good deal, he gets to keep his core, I think, which he can sell to recoup some of the $, so in actuallity his investment is about $650 for a killer turbo..
I think they waived the core charge also for Luke in this case for the reasons stated above..
All turbo sellers will require a core, even if it's not stated on the site or add for example, JMilledge has a "group 1" or something on his site, but he contacted me when I inquired and made it clear that he'd need a complete S type with # 8 hotside from me to supply the turbo.
I think after reflection Luke will agree he did get a good deal, he gets to keep his core, I think, which he can sell to recoup some of the $, so in actuallity his investment is about $650 for a killer turbo..
03-10-2002, 04:10 AM
#65
Thanks, I thought that was the case since they needed the KKK hot side core to supply a direct bolt on replacement Turbo. I am sorry if this distracted from the issue at hand and the original intent of this tread, the MAF.
03-10-2002, 09:37 AM
#66
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[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>beab951, as I understand it, Luke got a discount, since he nhad to wait an unexpectedly longer time fr turbo than he anticipated. The stage 1 sells for $999.00 I think, so it looks like he got a pretty good deal like me.. </strong><hr></blockquote>
This is NOT true, actually. I got NO deal for waiting so long. I bought the turbo at a time when SFR ws advertising them for $850.
[quote]Originally posted by beab951:
<strong>Thanks 951and944S, you are correct he did get a deal but the question still stands, is there a core charge?</strong><hr></blockquote>
THis is a very interesting question. THe wording above would lead you to beleive so! BUT the only kkk part on this turbo I now have is the #6 hot side. I wonder how many people opt. for the #6 over the 8? I wouldn't imagine the magority! THe #8 that TURBOTECHNIKS uses for these turbos is NOT KKK. so I see no reason why SFR should even WANT a CORE. [quote]Originally posted by TurboTim:
<strong>It was custom built to the specs we talked about on the phone. My point is that you got a great turbo, for a great price.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. I think this is a great turbo so far! I can't wait to try it out. I know you didn't take a LOSS on this price though! AND i still didn't get what was advertise! WHat's to stop us (the listers) from takin' a "GEIKO" on your *** and skipping out the middle man?
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> (seriously)
[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>
As with the turbo, Tim described above, the pipes, and inlet tubes are "custom" and made to your own specification. I challenge someone to call Autothority, and request a fitting for a Godzilla blow off valve or such.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The turbos dont come with inlet pipes! There is nothing custom about this turbo. It has a kkk hot side and the rest is TURBONETICS. It's TURBONETICS all the way from the INLET to the kkk #6. THE same company that makes turbos' for MUSTANGS and all. THEY are a great turbo maker (form what I hear) but I can't think of anything "custom" on it.
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AS for your challenge! I took it. When I recieved my MAF, it didn't come with an inlet pipe. I went around to HUNTLEY, LINDSEY and several others to get prices on an inlet for my new turbo. I let all companies "ASSUME" that I was currently running their MAF kit. I was quoted at no less than $400 for ALL the companies. SOme where as high as $500. This is the conversion kit that will move HUNTLEY's and who ever else's stage 1 MAF to the fender well.
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I had a custom J pipe (inlet) made by SEAN951. IT is absolutley beautiful. great welding, just as his intercooler pipes are too. He made these for MUCH MUCH less than SFR , HUNTLEY , ect is asking for them!
[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>Yes, there is, what they really need is the hotside. The amount of those avaliable is finite.
I think they waived the core charge also for Luke in this case for the reasons stated above..
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I beleive mine was waied because it was already SOLD! It was sold long before, because there is no CORE CHARGE listed any where else in the deal!
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>All turbo sellers will require a core, even if it's not stated on the site or add for example, JMilledge has a "group 1" or something on his site</strong><hr></blockquote>
JM's turbos are MODIFIED 26/8's. HE NEEDS kkk parts, obviously. SFR, on the other hand, advertises their turbos (like HUNTLEY) as full garrets. obviously, they dont use many #6 hot sides. AGAIN, why would they need a core charge. This brings us back to the quote on their site "Whats the secret? Simple, we just dont make as much profit! ". IS THIS THE TRUTH? or is it that you make up the differnce in suprising us with core charge's and what not? NOT to mention the fact that my preiously used #6 kkk item is all "chewed" up on the mating surface. I sure hope it seals ok!
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.BTW sorry everybody for "bitch" posting, but I feel this is important stuff. BECAUSE it deals with my MONEY, OUR MONEY!
<strong>beab951, as I understand it, Luke got a discount, since he nhad to wait an unexpectedly longer time fr turbo than he anticipated. The stage 1 sells for $999.00 I think, so it looks like he got a pretty good deal like me..
</strong><hr></blockquote>This is NOT true, actually. I got NO deal for waiting so long. I bought the turbo at a time when SFR ws advertising them for $850.
[quote]Originally posted by beab951:
<strong>Thanks 951and944S, you are correct he did get a deal but the question still stands, is there a core charge?</strong><hr></blockquote>
THis is a very interesting question. THe wording above would lead you to beleive so! BUT the only kkk part on this turbo I now have is the #6 hot side. I wonder how many people opt. for the #6 over the 8? I wouldn't imagine the magority! THe #8 that TURBOTECHNIKS uses for these turbos is NOT KKK. so I see no reason why SFR should even WANT a CORE. [quote]Originally posted by TurboTim:
<strong>It was custom built to the specs we talked about on the phone. My point is that you got a great turbo, for a great price.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. I think this is a great turbo so far! I can't wait to try it out. I know you didn't take a LOSS on this price though! AND i still didn't get what was advertise! WHat's to stop us (the listers) from takin' a "GEIKO" on your *** and skipping out the middle man?
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> (seriously)
[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>
As with the turbo, Tim described above, the pipes, and inlet tubes are "custom" and made to your own specification. I challenge someone to call Autothority, and request a fitting for a Godzilla blow off valve or such.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The turbos dont come with inlet pipes! There is nothing custom about this turbo. It has a kkk hot side and the rest is TURBONETICS. It's TURBONETICS all the way from the INLET to the kkk #6. THE same company that makes turbos' for MUSTANGS and all. THEY are a great turbo maker (form what I hear) but I can't think of anything "custom" on it.
.
AS for your challenge! I took it. When I recieved my MAF, it didn't come with an inlet pipe. I went around to HUNTLEY, LINDSEY and several others to get prices on an inlet for my new turbo. I let all companies "ASSUME" that I was currently running their MAF kit. I was quoted at no less than $400 for ALL the companies. SOme where as high as $500. This is the conversion kit that will move HUNTLEY's and who ever else's stage 1 MAF to the fender well.
.
I had a custom J pipe (inlet) made by SEAN951. IT is absolutley beautiful. great welding, just as his intercooler pipes are too. He made these for MUCH MUCH less than SFR , HUNTLEY , ect is asking for them!
[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>Yes, there is, what they really need is the hotside. The amount of those avaliable is finite.
I think they waived the core charge also for Luke in this case for the reasons stated above..
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I beleive mine was waied because it was already SOLD! It was sold long before, because there is no CORE CHARGE listed any where else in the deal!
<img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
[quote]Originally posted by 951and944S:
<strong>All turbo sellers will require a core, even if it's not stated on the site or add for example, JMilledge has a "group 1" or something on his site</strong><hr></blockquote>
JM's turbos are MODIFIED 26/8's. HE NEEDS kkk parts, obviously. SFR, on the other hand, advertises their turbos (like HUNTLEY) as full garrets. obviously, they dont use many #6 hot sides. AGAIN, why would they need a core charge. This brings us back to the quote on their site "Whats the secret? Simple, we just dont make as much profit! ". IS THIS THE TRUTH? or is it that you make up the differnce in suprising us with core charge's and what not? NOT to mention the fact that my preiously used #6 kkk item is all "chewed" up on the mating surface. I sure hope it seals ok!
.
.
.BTW sorry everybody for "bitch" posting, but I feel this is important stuff. BECAUSE it deals with my MONEY, OUR MONEY!
03-10-2002, 05:48 PM
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Luke,
Your turbo is custom whether you want to believe it or not. We machine certain parts of the turbo so that it will fit when you bolt it to your car. We also use our combination of compressor housings, compressor wheels and turbine trims. Now anybody can do this if they know what they are doing. If they dont, they end up with a turbo that is not right for their application. This is another thing we get payed for. We know which combinations work and which dont.
Tim
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Your turbo is custom whether you want to believe it or not. We machine certain parts of the turbo so that it will fit when you bolt it to your car. We also use our combination of compressor housings, compressor wheels and turbine trims. Now anybody can do this if they know what they are doing. If they dont, they end up with a turbo that is not right for their application. This is another thing we get payed for. We know which combinations work and which dont.
Tim
86 951
<a href="http://www.speedforceracing.com" target="_blank">http://www.speedforceracing.com</a>
03-10-2002, 06:50 PM
#68
Nordschleife Master
[quote]Originally posted by TurboTim:
<strong>Luke,
We machine certain parts of the turbo so that it will fit when you bolt it to your car.
<a href="http://www.speedforceracing.com" target="_blank">http://www.speedforceracing.com</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
If by machining, you are refering to the spots where it appears tabs were "chissled" off the compressor housing, then yeah, you machined it. It was still sharp and rough from your machining job when I recieved it. I choose SFR because YOU , Tim, made a refernce to how I haven't bought anything from you yet but you had answered some of my emails. This was after you insulted me on rennlist while you had me confused for somebody else! Well I gave you guys a chance, and I will be waiting for my new water temp. sending unit in the mail like your site promises. Until I see that this turbo isn't defunct, I will label my experience with SFR as POOR
<strong>Luke,
We machine certain parts of the turbo so that it will fit when you bolt it to your car.
<a href="http://www.speedforceracing.com" target="_blank">http://www.speedforceracing.com</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
If by machining, you are refering to the spots where it appears tabs were "chissled" off the compressor housing, then yeah, you machined it. It was still sharp and rough from your machining job when I recieved it. I choose SFR because YOU , Tim, made a refernce to how I haven't bought anything from you yet but you had answered some of my emails. This was after you insulted me on rennlist while you had me confused for somebody else! Well I gave you guys a chance, and I will be waiting for my new water temp. sending unit in the mail like your site promises. Until I see that this turbo isn't defunct, I will label my experience with SFR as POOR
03-10-2002, 08:07 PM
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idk, I have been driving around my "radio-less" beater for so long now, maybe the lack of music is getting to me. I dont mean to come off as a jerk, but I am just so dissappointed.
03-10-2002, 09:31 PM
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Hi Luke,
I read your posts on the other lists, I'm sorry you feel you had a bad experience with SFR.
I posted before, we may be slow at times...but 99% of the orders placed with us are hand built, or most of the parts for our kits are hand built, so if its a little slow in getting there, we are sorry, we do our best.
For instance, I have a few motors on the stands right now...my work is as far as it can go, I'm waiting on parts from suppliers, custom pistons etc etc....so, David Floyed may feel we are slow (he has never saids anything, this is just and instance) but...hopefully he understands the situation.
Your turbo, our customers SCunits for the kits, we get told something by our suppliers like "yep, we have them in stock, should ship in a few days" we relay that to our customers...then...nothing arrives, its not under our controll, it does **** us of, but we do what we can.
I read your posts on the other lists, I'm sorry you feel you had a bad experience with SFR.
I posted before, we may be slow at times...but 99% of the orders placed with us are hand built, or most of the parts for our kits are hand built, so if its a little slow in getting there, we are sorry, we do our best.
For instance, I have a few motors on the stands right now...my work is as far as it can go, I'm waiting on parts from suppliers, custom pistons etc etc....so, David Floyed may feel we are slow (he has never saids anything, this is just and instance) but...hopefully he understands the situation.
Your turbo, our customers SCunits for the kits, we get told something by our suppliers like "yep, we have them in stock, should ship in a few days" we relay that to our customers...then...nothing arrives, its not under our controll, it does **** us of, but we do what we can.
03-10-2002, 10:16 PM
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03-10-2002, 10:33 PM
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Luke, Dude what can I say, if you gotta vent, you gotta vent, right..?
Just don't flip on me man, I'm looking to meet you halfway one day, so we can compare the setups choices we made at an unbiased dyno..
Say, I'll be in Indianapolis for the USGP last weekend in September, surely that's more than half way.
Just don't flip on me man, I'm looking to meet you halfway one day, so we can compare the setups choices we made at an unbiased dyno..
Say, I'll be in Indianapolis for the USGP last weekend in September, surely that's more than half way.
03-10-2002, 10:36 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by *WiZaRD- 951, some parts deleted by Ahmet:
I have come to peace with myself for the most part, more than most people I konw can say for themselves. Before any of you make a judgement, assumption, about me or anyone else on this board might I suggest you MEET them first AT LEAST! (i still RARELY (99% of the time) make judgements even after a meeting). You do NOT know me, you have not met me or have you had the benefit of experiencing my enlightenment (cocky little **** aren't I?). You just don't know...
EVERY type of internet community I've ever been in has been turned around and then some after my joining, I don't know why exactly, and no you don't either so don't even be arogant enough to type it you lit'l ****. controll the overreactions of emotional anger their imbalanced mind/body/soul exerts as I have...<hr></blockquote>
OK Craig, let me get this straight:
You've come to peace with yourself, but expect to be dead in the next 10 years or so, and that's OK with you.
You don't think it's a good idea to make a judgement about somebody before meeting them, and you don't usually make a judgement about somebody even after you meet them. Then you proceed to call random people lil ****s, idiots, ****s, hard headed bastards etc.
You think we all possibly have something to learn from you (and I will not go so far to say that this isn't possible), however your attitude makes me think you don't think you have anything to learn from us. I'll respond with something you've said on this very subject "You just don't know".
The last paragraph I quoted from you shows your use of (abundant) faul language, but ends with your suggestion to control emotions on a message board, like you have since you have inner peace and self control. That's not very beliavable.
You really need to chill out, you can't continue to ask for peoples' help if you're not going to respect their opinions, act polite etc. I bet there's a lot of people who know more than either me or you about many things, but you don't make it very inviting for anybody to help you with the way you're acting. Those who don't claim to be better than others, every chanse they get, and respect others deserve and usually get more respect. What I'm trying to say in short is play by the rules.
Those are all my opinions, feel free to respond but at least try to make a point and don't curse so much. I will also not be so willing to help you, if you keep disrespecting me. I don't know how important this is to you, I feel like you've got things to learn from me(and others) just like you think we've got something to learn from you. To be perfectly honest, I enjoy having you here, read more posts you make than almost any other specific person. For what reason I'd rather not share though...
Peace,
Ahmet
I have come to peace with myself for the most part, more than most people I konw can say for themselves. Before any of you make a judgement, assumption, about me or anyone else on this board might I suggest you MEET them first AT LEAST! (i still RARELY (99% of the time) make judgements even after a meeting). You do NOT know me, you have not met me or have you had the benefit of experiencing my enlightenment (cocky little **** aren't I?). You just don't know...
EVERY type of internet community I've ever been in has been turned around and then some after my joining, I don't know why exactly, and no you don't either so don't even be arogant enough to type it you lit'l ****. controll the overreactions of emotional anger their imbalanced mind/body/soul exerts as I have...<hr></blockquote>
OK Craig, let me get this straight:
You've come to peace with yourself, but expect to be dead in the next 10 years or so, and that's OK with you.
You don't think it's a good idea to make a judgement about somebody before meeting them, and you don't usually make a judgement about somebody even after you meet them. Then you proceed to call random people lil ****s, idiots, ****s, hard headed bastards etc.
You think we all possibly have something to learn from you (and I will not go so far to say that this isn't possible), however your attitude makes me think you don't think you have anything to learn from us. I'll respond with something you've said on this very subject "You just don't know".
The last paragraph I quoted from you shows your use of (abundant) faul language, but ends with your suggestion to control emotions on a message board, like you have since you have inner peace and self control. That's not very beliavable.
You really need to chill out, you can't continue to ask for peoples' help if you're not going to respect their opinions, act polite etc. I bet there's a lot of people who know more than either me or you about many things, but you don't make it very inviting for anybody to help you with the way you're acting. Those who don't claim to be better than others, every chanse they get, and respect others deserve and usually get more respect. What I'm trying to say in short is play by the rules.
Those are all my opinions, feel free to respond but at least try to make a point and don't curse so much. I will also not be so willing to help you, if you keep disrespecting me. I don't know how important this is to you, I feel like you've got things to learn from me(and others) just like you think we've got something to learn from you. To be perfectly honest, I enjoy having you here, read more posts you make than almost any other specific person. For what reason I'd rather not share though...
Peace,
Ahmet