Slamming a 944.
#31
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He could always just put on low profile tires, and get MUCH of the same effect..
#32
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Probably, much lower than I am and you need serious high spring rates (read car will ride HARD)... not to mention the inability to pass over some speed bumps with out doing so on an angle or loosing something underneath the car...
He could always just put on low profile tires, and get MUCH of the same effect..
He could always just put on low profile tires, and get MUCH of the same effect..
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I disagree, as have several M3 and 996 drivers... not to mention several other 951 drivers...
But then my ride isn't to everyone's taste...
Koni Yellow front coil overs, 300lb springs Konis set 3/4 firm (I was going back and forth between 3/4 and full firm...
Rear Koni Sports set full firm, with re-indexed stock tbars...
But then my ride isn't to everyone's taste...
Koni Yellow front coil overs, 300lb springs Konis set 3/4 firm (I was going back and forth between 3/4 and full firm...
Rear Koni Sports set full firm, with re-indexed stock tbars...
Back on point. Two different cars. to slam a M3 i bought a set of PSS9 coilovers, replaced the 184k mile control arms and some other stuff while i was in there.
with cheap kmac camber plates i was able to get -2.8deg camber while the ball joints are not stressed like the 944 ball joints are.
For the rear, I removed the bolt holding the rear shock in, stepped on the rotor and pulled out the old spring. I then inserted the adjustable rear perch and then the rear spring. buttoned it up and put it on scales. adjusted, etc.
a lot easier, and a lot more predictable than slamming a 944.
again, with stock PSS9 springs and the PSS9s set to 6 (of 9) the ride is not very good. The car just makes it into my driveway without (and sometimes with) scraping. Every manhole cover is an obstacle as is every speed bump.
not the way I would want to drive daily. YMMV
If I didnt want coilovers I could have gotten shorter springs for the M3 and used them with a set of Konis. The amount of drop is published by the manufacturer and a lot of users.
so the comparison of "slamming" a M3 to "slamming" a 944 is not apples to apples. Jon spent a lot more $ and did a lot more work than I did.
The key is balance. Out of the box the M3 and 944 are balanced. I changed all four to keep the balance. So did Jon. doing it half arsed on a piece by piece budget will turn the car into a disaster IMHO. do it once, do it right.
PSS9s are about $1500, kmac plates are 350, control arms are about $450, rear shock mounts $100. so slamming my M3 with new parts would be at least $2500, and there are much better camber plates than the ones i got (for $210), better shocks than the ones i got for about $900 used......
#35
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I just "slammed" my 95 M3 so it will be lower. The reason i did it is because it is a track car. it gets driven to the track and back. the ride sucks compared to stock. not sure of the handling.
Back on point. Two different cars. to slam a M3 i bought a set of PSS9 coilovers, replaced the 184k mile control arms and some other stuff while i was in there.
with cheap kmac camber plates i was able to get -2.8deg camber while the ball joints are not stressed like the 944 ball joints are.
For the rear, I removed the bolt holding the rear shock in, stepped on the rotor and pulled out the old spring. I then inserted the adjustable rear perch and then the rear spring. buttoned it up and put it on scales. adjusted, etc.
a lot easier, and a lot more predictable than slamming a 944.
again, with stock PSS9 springs and the PSS9s set to 6 (of 9) the ride is not very good. The car just makes it into my driveway without (and sometimes with) scraping. Every manhole cover is an obstacle as is every speed bump.
not the way I would want to drive daily. YMMV
If I didnt want coilovers I could have gotten shorter springs for the M3 and used them with a set of Konis. The amount of drop is published by the manufacturer and a lot of users.
so the comparison of "slamming" a M3 to "slamming" a 944 is not apples to apples. Jon spent a lot more $ and did a lot more work than I did.
The key is balance. Out of the box the M3 and 944 are balanced. I changed all four to keep the balance. So did Jon. doing it half arsed on a piece by piece budget will turn the car into a disaster IMHO. do it once, do it right.
PSS9s are about $1500, kmac plates are 350, control arms are about $450, rear shock mounts $100. so slamming my M3 with new parts would be at least $2500, and there are much better camber plates than the ones i got (for $210), better shocks than the ones i got for about $900 used......
Back on point. Two different cars. to slam a M3 i bought a set of PSS9 coilovers, replaced the 184k mile control arms and some other stuff while i was in there.
with cheap kmac camber plates i was able to get -2.8deg camber while the ball joints are not stressed like the 944 ball joints are.
For the rear, I removed the bolt holding the rear shock in, stepped on the rotor and pulled out the old spring. I then inserted the adjustable rear perch and then the rear spring. buttoned it up and put it on scales. adjusted, etc.
a lot easier, and a lot more predictable than slamming a 944.
again, with stock PSS9 springs and the PSS9s set to 6 (of 9) the ride is not very good. The car just makes it into my driveway without (and sometimes with) scraping. Every manhole cover is an obstacle as is every speed bump.
not the way I would want to drive daily. YMMV
If I didnt want coilovers I could have gotten shorter springs for the M3 and used them with a set of Konis. The amount of drop is published by the manufacturer and a lot of users.
so the comparison of "slamming" a M3 to "slamming" a 944 is not apples to apples. Jon spent a lot more $ and did a lot more work than I did.
The key is balance. Out of the box the M3 and 944 are balanced. I changed all four to keep the balance. So did Jon. doing it half arsed on a piece by piece budget will turn the car into a disaster IMHO. do it once, do it right.
PSS9s are about $1500, kmac plates are 350, control arms are about $450, rear shock mounts $100. so slamming my M3 with new parts would be at least $2500, and there are much better camber plates than the ones i got (for $210), better shocks than the ones i got for about $900 used......
MOST of mine was done in one shot (car sat on stands in front of the house for 2 weeks..) but the end product is VERY fun to drive, makes it feel more planted (could have something to do with 255 in the front and 295 rears) but anyway..
I totally agree with tom, do it ONCE, much easier in the long term... gather pieces over months if you have to... it is MUCH easier to do it all in one shot than to keep taking it apart to add another piece, not to mention when dealing with suspension, the alignments add up quick!
My biggest current issue with my suspension is my local shop I had doing the alignment cant do it any more because my car is too low for their machine, and they don't have adapters to fit my wheels... so my next alignment will most likely be done at the P-car dealer...
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John,
my suspension started with a simple change of motor mounts. the bolts holding the mount to the subframe tore through the subframe. pretty common with M3s.
while i was in there i changed the control arms.
while i was in there i changed the shocks
while i was in there... the car was on jackstands for four and a half months while i liesurely did this and some other stuff.
my suspension started with a simple change of motor mounts. the bolts holding the mount to the subframe tore through the subframe. pretty common with M3s.
while i was in there i changed the control arms.
while i was in there i changed the shocks
while i was in there... the car was on jackstands for four and a half months while i liesurely did this and some other stuff.
#38
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Actually we do.
Most 944 spec cars are "slammed" so to speak. We run 4" to the rocker panels. That is really low. Of course I would not run this low on the street.
In this photo remember also the tires are 1" shorter than stock.
Here after hopping a curb at full compression on the left side.
The hump in the center of the rocker is from missing the jack point little ( )
#40
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Actually we do.
Most 944 spec cars are "slammed" so to speak. We run 4" to the rocker panels. That is really low. Of course I would not run this low on the street.
In this photo remember also the tires are 1" shorter than stock.
Here after hopping a curb at full compression on the left side.
The hump in the center of the rocker is from missing the jack point little ( )
Most 944 spec cars are "slammed" so to speak. We run 4" to the rocker panels. That is really low. Of course I would not run this low on the street.
In this photo remember also the tires are 1" shorter than stock.
Here after hopping a curb at full compression on the left side.
The hump in the center of the rocker is from missing the jack point little ( )
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Sort of like how there's negative camber, and then there's this.
#42
yea there's so many fashion fads terms it's all a bit wierd.
slammed, poke, VIP, hellaflush, lowrider/mexi-poke (like that's diff from regular poke?), donk, tire stretched, etc etc.
slammed, poke, VIP, hellaflush, lowrider/mexi-poke (like that's diff from regular poke?), donk, tire stretched, etc etc.